Motorcycle oil thread, because it's been too long.

[SwampNut]

1 hour ago, superhawk996 said:

I might have suggested that he do some research to see if maybe his boat has an alternative source of propulsion allowing him to not use the engine.

 

LOL.  To be fair, it's a big bitch and that harbor was tight.  I'm impressed he brought it through that.  Probably made a radio call requesting a clear channel, and high tide, that inlet is small and has a crazy 90+ degree hook (which Tim missed, but, high tide).

 

The 35' Formula is up front, so his boat is what, 60?

 

[RXX]

Good news!

99 CBR1100XX-240729.pdf

[blackhawkxx]

1 hour ago, RXX said:

Good news!

99 CBR1100XX-240729.pdf 17.32 kB · 1 download

A lot of wow in there.  Are you sure you didn't send in the new oil? 😁   You didn't use any add any oil in 8K miles.  They said "Universal averages show typical wear for this type of engine after about 3,300 miles on the oil" but yours is good at 8K.  Your Bird engine must be in great shape, thank Zero? 🙂

Do your Mini next.

Edited August 30, 2024 by blackhawkxx

[Zero Knievel]

7 hours ago, blackhawkxx said:

Your Bird engine must be in great shape, thank Zero? 🙂

I used AMSOIl in the XX the whole time I owned it.  Don’t know if Phil kept with that practice.  When I took off the rocker arm cover to check clearances, the engine was spotless.

[RXX]

2 hours ago, Zero Knievel said:

I used AMSOIl in the XX the whole time I owned it.  Don’t know if Phil kept with that practice.  When I took off the rocker arm cover to check clearances, the engine was spotless.

I don’t recall. Maybe we could ummmm, look at the report. 
 

Nope, not Amsoil.

 

You checked clearances? When? That is great, I would never have done that.

 

In all fairness, Mike did a great job of maintaining the bike and was much more meticulous than I am.

[tomek]

5 hours ago, Zero Knievel said:

I used AMSOIl in the XX the whole time I owned it.  Don’t know if Phil kept with that practice.  When I took off the rocker arm cover to check clearances, the engine was spotless.

Well, that's interesting. Are you sure that was XX engine because there are no rockers there? Maybe it was your lawnmower? 

Edited August 30, 2024 by tomek

[Zero Knievel]

54 minutes ago, tomek said:

Well, that's interesting. Are you sure that was XX engine because there are no rockers there? Maybe it was your lawnmower? 

 

Whatever you call the damn cover at the top of the engine where the valve springs are located.  Geez.

[superhawk996]

15 hours ago, RXX said:

Good news!

99 CBR1100XX-240729.pdf 17.32 kB · 9 downloads

Did you plan to do 8k on the oil or was it something that got forgotten about or put off?  It doesn't seem to have done harm, but I'd be leery of doing it.

[superhawk996]

1 hour ago, tomek said:

Well, that's interesting. Are you sure that was XX engine because there are no rockers there? Maybe it was your lawnmower? 

He calls two stroke oil "additive" so don't expect him to call the valve cover a valve cover.

[tomek]

1 hour ago, Zero Knievel said:

 

Whatever you call the damn cover at the top of the engine where the valve springs are located.  Geez.

Facts matter. 

[jon haney]

53 minutes ago, tomek said:

Facts matter. 

Especially for dick measuring contests.🙄

[XXitanium]

3 hours ago, tomek said:

.... Are you sure that was XX engine because there are no rockers there? ...

I had to go look.

 

[XXitanium]

Ima go look for the "I'm Not a Real Biker" thread.

 

I guess I didn't think there were rockers, but I've never felt the need to know what the inside of theses engines look kike. They're a Honda.

 

[tomek]

 Well, newer superbike engines do have finger followers, kinda like rocker in that sense lift on the camshaft is not equal to the lift of the valve. 

 

 

Cbrxx engine is from shim under the bucket era. 

 

Facts matter. 😁

Edited August 30, 2024 by tomek

[CBR-RR-XX-CESS]

15 hours ago, RXX said:

Nope, not Amsoil.

4-T is good stuff, have used it for the last 50K.

[CALCXX]

Same here ^^^^^^^

[blackhawkxx]

I saw that Family, Farm and Home (just like a Tractor Supply) was having a sale on 5-qt. jug Mobil 1 full synthetic oil for $19.97 in the flyer.  When I get there the jug doesn't look that same but they also have the jugs that look the same for $34.99.  I have never saw this before and wonder what the difference is, additives?  Didn't buy it but probably should have.  BTW- Walmart has the normal kind for $27.97.

 

[poida]

i saw similar here in aus with castrol oil.reading the description they were the same oil but different looking stickers with a $25 price difference

[superhawk996]

My understanding: Mobil1 is Dexos approved and regular Mobile isn't.  Maybe Mobile is getting rid of the non-1 oil and that's driving the discount.  It seems pretty silly that they'd keep making both, but maybe they don't and the non-1 might just be re-labeled oil from someone else.  Dexos is a good thing and it 'should' be superior oil, but not something I'd spend much money for.  I feel better buying 'generic' Dexos oil like Supertech which costs less than regular Mobile or any other name brand.

 

My professional layman's take on how oils are produced:  A vehicle manufacturer reaches out with a need/desire.  A 'big name' oil company makes an agreement to create a suitable oil and spends a bunch of money to make it happen and sells it at a premium.  Other oil blenders copy the formula and sell it cheaper.  The copies might be slightly inferior in that they might barely meet the minimum spec instead of surpassing it.  In some cases the generic might have some better attributes even if they only barely meet a spec, oil blending can be harder than rocket surgery.  Many of the additives used fight against other additives so they have to be chosen carefully.  Probably all additives have an upper limit where adding more creates a problem, but having too little is also a problem.  Then there are additives which can be safely replaced with a cheaper one, but then other parts of the formulation need to be tweaked to keep them all happy.  This is why you shouldn't use additives willy-nilly.  It's also why one shouldn't do things that mix different oils: topping off, not changing the filter, etc.  In an ideal world one would do a 'double drain' when switching oil types, but it's usually not a huge deal.

 

This will likely sound wrong, but an oil can cause high friction and low wear or high wear and low friction.  The goal is for both to be low, while also preventing sludge, preignition, etc.  It ain't easy.

 

The more I read about Valvoline Restore and Protect the more I'm considering paying the premium for a name brand oil.  While I don't know if my engines "need" to be cleaned, there's little reason to not want them cleaned.

[SwampNut]

In 20 years we'll be talking about how to get black market oil for the red Barchetta when ICE is outlawed.  In 50 years we'll be arguing about which cabin air filter is best for the Cybertruck, which is the only vehicle now being made.  They *are* the gleaming alloy air cars.

 

[blackhawkxx]

4 hours ago, SwampNut said:

In 20 years we'll be talking about how to get black market oil for the red Barchetta when ICE is outlawed.  In 50 years we'll be arguing about which cabin air filter is best for the Cybertruck, which is the only vehicle now being made.  They *are* the gleaming alloy air cars.

 

You really have faith in that non meat diet.  😁

[superhawk996]

Today I learned about the designations of motorcycle oils that address clutch action/grip; JASO MA, MA1, and MA2.  Basically, MA2 is more grippy, MA1 is more slippy, MA is somewhat of an in between.  Rather than me trying to spell out all the fine details, if you're curious, google it.

[blackhawkxx]

1 hour ago, superhawk996 said:

Rather than me trying to spell out all the fine details, if you're curious, google it.

https://blog.amsoil.com/whats-the-difference-between-jaso-ma-and-jaso-ma2-oil/

 

Motorcycle oil cost too much so unless something changes like the stop making it (which seems possible, even likely), Mobil 1 15w-50 for me.

[blackhawkxx]

On 12/12/2024 at 10:39 AM, superhawk996 said:

My understanding: Mobil1 is Dexos approved and regular Mobile isn't. 

Just happened across this tonight, my head hurts now.

 

https://www.speedwaymotors.com/the-toolbox/dexos-1-vs-dexos-2-what-is-gm-dexos-oil/120130?

[superhawk996]

2 hours ago, blackhawkxx said:

Just happened across this tonight, my head hurts now.

 

https://www.speedwaymotors.com/the-toolbox/dexos-1-vs-dexos-2-what-is-gm-dexos-oil/120130?

The worst part is that what is written in that article contradicts some of what the guy said about the different Dexos designations.  And he didn't talk about the different generations of Dexos1, I think we're now at Gen3.