tomek Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 5 minutes ago, RXX said: By the way, I put 1700 miles on the bike between last Wednesday and Monday. Road some great roads that I would have missed if I had a trailer. Fucking awesome 👍😎. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Knievel Posted September 24, 2023 Author Share Posted September 24, 2023 Well, I hope the issue is finally solved. Got the new rear strap system today. I experimented before with the wheel chock, but double checked for this test. Note that now the chock is set at the second to front hole. It previously was set at the very last hole in the back. This helps the bike remain stable when I’m not holding it…although for good measure I should always load/unload while parked on a level surface. Now my front ties are anchored to soft straps at the bottom of the triple tee. It comes in its own carry case. Bought it from Wheels & Wings in Lake City, Florida. I have to position the strap as such to avoid unnecessary contact with the muffler and swingarm. There is a gap between the strap and the swingarm, but I think I will still look for something to use as a buffer so they don’t rub during transport. It occurred to me that a washing mitt (for cars) cut open at the end could slide over the assembly as a sleeve. I’ll take a closer look tomorrow when I’m in town. Took the finished product out for a short drive. So far, so good. If you know the roads around my house, they aren’t that well maintained, so lots of bumps that make the bike shift side to side. Everything held firm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XXitanium Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 You do NOT want any metal hooks contacting your bike. The loop straps are a decent idea. Dn't tie them to anywhere they will get abraded through though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XXitanium Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 Double the straps with hooks back and hook both hooks to the trailer i-lets. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomek Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 (edited) 45 minutes ago, XXitanium said: You do NOT want any metal hooks contacting your bike. Why not? It is perfectly fine to hook strap directly, like in the picture, to lower triple tree, or couple other point as well. Depends on the bike. 43 minutes ago, XXitanium said: I don't like it. There are couple potential points of failure. See if you can hook the strap directly to lower triple triple tree like in two pics below. Edited September 24, 2023 by tomek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomek Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 Is there anyway to hook it up closer to the tire as marked? It would give you more clearance vs final drive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomek Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 (edited) And here. The way it is wrapped around lower triple, there is relatively sharp edge there, potential point of failure. And my lower marking, WTAF? There has to be easier, cleaner way to do it. Other than that you have finally done it right. 👍 Congratulations. Edited September 24, 2023 by tomek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Knievel Posted September 24, 2023 Author Share Posted September 24, 2023 1 hour ago, tomek said: Why not? It is perfectly fine to hook strap directly, like in the picture, to lower triple tree, or couple other point as well. Depends on the bike. I don't like it. There are couple potential points of failure. See if you can hook the strap directly to lower triple triple tree like in two pics below. From what I can tell, there is nothing to hook on to with the BMW. I thought there was, but it was how the metal was shaped and not a hole I could look through. 1 hour ago, tomek said: Is there anyway to hook it up closer to the tire as marked? It would give you more clearance vs final drive. No. Those are the anchor points provided. Even if I could find an anchor that would attach using longer bolts that hold the wheel assemblies to the axle, I’d have to make sure it wouldn’t compromise the trailer by putting the tie down stress on the wheel hub. 1 hour ago, tomek said: And here. The way it is wrapped around lower triple, there is relatively sharp edge there, potential point of failure. And my lower marking, WTAF? There has to be easier, cleaner way to do it. Just did it the way it was illustrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superhawk996 Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 3 hours ago, Zero Knievel said: There is a gap between the strap and the swingarm, but I think I will still look for something to use as a buffer so they don’t rub during transport. It occurred to me that a washing mitt (for cars) cut open at the end could slide over the assembly as a sleeve. I’ll take a closer look tomorrow when I’m in town. 3 hours ago, Zero Knievel said: A 'buffer' will prevent metal on metal contact, but the buffer is likely to end up rubbing on the drive. Move the bottom of the strap outward. You can replace one of the hub bolts with an eye bolt, or wrap around the vertical part of the axle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Knievel Posted September 25, 2023 Author Share Posted September 25, 2023 I doubt an eye bolt would be fit to substitute for a wheel mount bolt. I agree that the mounts should be further from the bike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superhawk996 Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 14 hours ago, Zero Knievel said: I doubt an eye bolt would be fit to substitute for a wheel mount bolt. If it were my trailer I wouldn't hesitate to do it...but maybe not with some crap ass Chinesium Harbor Freight eye bolt. What's actually bolted on there? With every trailer I've seen the only thing that gets bolted there is the brakes, but I assume that doesn't have brakes. I've never seen a trailer with a bolted on hub assembly, the wheel bearings are always directly on the axle. If you're not sure post a better photo of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superhawk996 Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 Shit, those are probably just holding the fenders on, I hadn't noticed that the ends of the fenders are in open air. Eye bolt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomek Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 2 hours ago, superhawk996 said: Shit, those are probably just holding the fenders on, I hadn't noticed that the ends of the fenders are in open air. Eye bolt it. Dude, that would be too easy. There has to be more sophisticated and less reliable way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superhawk996 Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 40 minutes ago, tomek said: Dude, that would be too easy. There has to be more sophisticated and less reliable way. Attach the strap to a lug nut, those are very strong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RXX Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 What algorithm do you employ to determine ride to destination versus trailering? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Knievel Posted September 26, 2023 Author Share Posted September 26, 2023 10 hours ago, superhawk996 said: If it were my trailer I wouldn't hesitate to do it...but maybe not with some crap ass Chinesium Harbor Freight eye bolt. What's actually bolted on there? With every trailer I've seen the only thing that gets bolted there is the brakes, but I assume that doesn't have brakes. I've never seen a trailer with a bolted on hub assembly, the wheel bearings are always directly on the axle. If you're not sure post a better photo of it. The bolts only attach the fenders…so I suppose your idea would work, but I’d need a locking nut on both sides and I question if the short distance it would provide would make enough of a difference. 36 minutes ago, RXX said: What algorithm do you employ to determine ride to destination versus trailering? I was going to make a snarky quip about complicated math, but then remembered what you do for a living. With my current health, I find that all day rides (over 500 miles) take enough out of me that riding at the destination is a chore…especially if I have to have the means to ride back home. If I ride someplace and there’s fun stuff to do other than ride, I can make the trip about riding there and back. Going to Utah was an exhausting trial and not a vacation…odd as only a decade or so ago I used to ride cross country. Once a month jaunts with the locals wear me out if I have to go all the way to Johnson City, TN just to meet up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomek Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 18 minutes ago, Zero Knievel said: The bolts only attach the fenders…so I suppose your idea would work, but I’d need a locking nut on both sides and I question if the short distance it would provide would make enough of a difference. I will, of course, make huge difference. Don't believe us? Run piece of something, cable, string, rope, etc. from the top of the tire to one of bolts. It would give you huge clearance. Or just look at the picture. You need something like this. You probably would need longer bolt to compensate for the anchor. Or maybe not. Next. Your answer why it would be horrible idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superhawk996 Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Zero Knievel said: I’d need a locking nut on both sides and I question if the short distance it would provide would make enough of a difference. Jeezus kryst. No matter how easy the solution is, you will find a way to complicate it while doubting that it'll work. Edited September 26, 2023 by superhawk996 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superhawk996 Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 Being that you're so close to solving the last challenge, you should dump the trailer and concoct another clusterfuck to put the bike in the bed of your truck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XXitanium Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 Is that "suspended"? Bad idea to tie to it if it is going to move relative to the "bed" at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XXitanium Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 With the front wheel secured in the chauk and the back wheel secured with that bra thing, I would think you'd be done attaching anything beyond that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampNut Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 You're really working hard at snatching defeat from the jaws of success. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Knievel Posted September 26, 2023 Author Share Posted September 26, 2023 5 hours ago, tomek said: You need something like this. You probably would need longer bolt to compensate for the anchor. Or maybe not. Next. Your answer why it would be horrible idea. Thanks. That would only necessitate getting a slightly longer bolt. 2 hours ago, superhawk996 said: Jeezus kryst. No matter how easy the solution is, you will find a way to complicate it while doubting that it'll work. If you know how an eye-bolt is shaped, to not compromise the bolt as a securing point for the fender, I'd want a locking nut on the inside (towards wheel) and one at the "top" so I can properly tighten it down. The existing bolt inserts from the wheel side. An eye-bolt would have to insert from the trailer side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomek Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 52 minutes ago, XXitanium said: Is that "suspended"? Bad idea to tie to it if it is going to move relative to the "bed" at all. Hard tail. No suspension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampNut Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 4 hours ago, Zero Knievel said: If you know how an eye-bolt is shaped No, it's likely that Oscar has never seen one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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