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Our house is painted with a flat cream paint most everywhere.  But two areas, the kitchen and entryway, are semi-gloss.  Well, I thought.  But they really are just not as flat.  I used the leftover flat paint that came with the house, and it's flatter than the walls.  So I bought some semi-gloss, good to go right?  Negative ghost rider.  So then I mixed them 50/50...glossy.  Now I'm at 3:1 flat to semi, and while not dry yet, I think it's headed to still being slightly glossy.  WTF is on these walls?

 

I know I'm being a picky cunt and I need to just not look at them sideways to the light.  But I'm a picky cunt.

 

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Yeah, it's looked terrible for a few years.  The tape separated from the wallboard.  It's on a list for our stucco and drywall guy next week.  I suspect he'll have to remove a big section of it and start over.

 

Eggshell...shit, that's right, totally forgot that was an option.

 

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Nope, not eggshell.  That was way more shiny than the wall too.  So now I have flat, semi, eggshell, and mix, and none are right.  The color is spot on, shine is not.  So fuck it, I mixed the rest of the flat with my previously mixed semi-flat, painted a larger area, and feathered the edges with a gun on very low production, high air.

 

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Also, any guesses on what happened?  The previous owners were pigs.  Indian pigs (Dell support Indians not casino Indians).  The entire house was covered in curry and crayon from their little hellion kids.  They defaulted and it was picked up by a flipper who replaced all flooring, sealed the walls, and painted.  Fans were all replaced because they were full of curry oil just from the pigs cooking.  Maybe the painters had a bunch of leftover similar colors and just mixed them all?

 

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Well you haven't tried matte or satin yet. Paint could have reacted with the sealer and changed the sheen I guess. Who knows. Getting wall paint to match perfectly is always hit or miss. Paint can even be slightly different if you buy two or more gallons of the same stuff, same color at the same time. If you buy more than one gallon of the same, "technically" you're supposed to mix the gallons together in a bigger container. I saw a house painter do it once and asked why.

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With spray paints I used to see gloss, semi-gloss, and flat.  Lately I've been seeing semi-flat a lot.  Some say it's the same as semi-gloss, others say it's not.  I recently bought some flat and semi and both seem to be more glossy than they should be.  IDK if it's the brand or because it's that new fangled paint/primer all it one.

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At least the color is an absolute match from all of them.  I think the can to can variations are no longer true, a legacy of the bad old days and lack of automation.

 

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10 hours ago, SwampNut said:

At least the color is an absolute match from all of them.  I think the can to can variations are no longer true, a legacy of the bad old days and lack of automation.

 

Well perhaps, but Behr still has it in their instructions on the can: "Intermix containers of same product to ensure color and sheen uniformity"

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On 2/13/2022 at 6:43 PM, SwampNut said:

Also, any guesses on what happened?  The previous owners were pigs.  Indian pigs (Dell support Indians not casino Indians).  The entire house was covered in curry and crayon from their little hellion kids.  They defaulted and it was picked up by a flipper who replaced all flooring, sealed the walls, and painted.  Fans were all replaced because they were full of curry oil just from the pigs cooking.  Maybe the painters had a bunch of leftover similar colors and just mixed them all?

 

Flipper may have spot primed over the crayon with a shellac based primer which does an excellent job of covering stains but leaves a slightly shiny finish that will bleed thru. 

 

To fix, you may need to re-prime the whole wall 2 times with an oil based primer such as zinsser cover stain oil based primer. Then your paint of choice. 

 

Alternately, you might find success with a top quality (Sherwin Williams or Benjamin Moore top grade) interior paint/primer in one, which has good covering abilities, but not as good as my 1st option. 

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This area has about 57 coats of paint, and it's all Behr super-heavy-supreme-cover-everything, so at what point would the prior surface become irrelevant?  Couldn't have been spot primed, the whole area is even gloss level.  Unless by spot you mean this entire area.

 

 

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After coat 47 didn't work, you went ahead with 10 more?🍺

 

 

Your first pic showed areas of differing gloss. Anyway, I'm not there, you are. These things don't always show up well on pics. I think you are expecting too much from Behr, as it is low grade bottom shelf stuff. 

If you don't like my advice, go to a pro paint store, follow their advice and buy only top grade paint, at least for this particular project. 

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I didn't dislike the advice, just trying to figure it out.  The spottiness was created because *I* spot painted.  Before that, the wall was all even.  I then tried the flat, then the semi, then the eggshell, creating the problem.  Currently, with my mix of flat and semi, I'm reasonably happy and you can only see it if you try.  So basically solved the problem, not the mystery of why.

 

It has a shitload of coats right here because of multiple repairs.  And then all the attempts with different paints.  

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2 hours ago, lordzarkon said:

That is not in my DNA at all 

 

Nor mine, therefore I force myself to fight for less hoarding and shit laying around.  The garage is making me insane right now, too many projects so shit everywhere.  Today the weather is decent and this will be corrected.

 

Self awareness is step one.

 

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Now that I have cleared a lot of distractions, AND, it has become clear when I have to go to the store to buy something that I know is in the barn that I must be REFORMED

 

IT was clean long ago, but kept adding tools and toys to the mess, and also working and commuting long distance.

 

Now that my ass is retired, time to get to work and find my FLOOR   LOL 

 

I know its under there somewhere  :rolleyes:

 

You have inspired me   B)

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The toughest part of throwing some stupid old thing away is knowing that you'll need it within a week.  I sorta hate my clutter/hoarding, but building a trailer hitch last week without a single run for metal, hardware, or tools was nice.  Fixing the wine fridge last night wouldn't have happened if I didn't have a pile of electronic parts.  I might not have bothered to pull the board out if I didn't feel I had a reasonable chance of having whatever part it needed on hand.

 

While I didn't have the right capacitor, I had two that were up to the task when paired up.  You can't even tell that it was worked on by a hack 😁

 

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I learned that the internet accepted test for a capacitor using an ohm meter isn't foolproof.  It passed the test but I still had my doubts.  I then tested one of the blue ones and it appeared to have more capacitance despite being less than half the rating of the little black one; 470 vs 1000.  I put in one 470 and the fridge fired up.  I put the second on as a feel good of being close to the original rating.  I think the huge size difference is because of the higher voltage rating of the blues, 100v. vs. 16v.  Maybe they use different guts as well.

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