K-TOOL Posted November 22, 2003 Share Posted November 22, 2003 Rode up to see Kg4fku (Chuck) today. About 165mile ride. The Bird ran flawlessly on the way up. After meeting up we went out to do some .......shall we say spirited riding. After a couple of near top speed runs we came to a stop. I immediately noticed a horrible ticking sound coming from my bike. When at idle it sounds like it really needs a valve adjustment. But when under load the noise really increases. To make a long story short, I limped the bird home 165mi, keeping it at or under 3,000rpm( my ears couldnt take any more than that). After the trip home the noise is still there but doesnt sound any worse. I am dropping the bike off at the dealership tom. I know its difficult to tell w/out hearing it, but any thoughts on what it could be? It's an 03 that has about 20,000 miles on it. Up to this point it was as quite and smooth as a sewing machine. I was going to have the valves done at 16,000 but was told that this was probably a waste of $$. Now I'm thinking maybe I should have. Will this affect the warranty. This should be covered under warrany , right? I would like to be a little knowledgeable on the subject before I hear what the dealer has to say. Any thoughts are appreciated. Probably should have posted this in the Garage but I figured it more vies here in the PUB Thanks Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonW Posted November 22, 2003 Share Posted November 22, 2003 Sorry to hear your bike is making (not so) funny noises..... Have you ruled out the CCT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Smith Posted November 23, 2003 Share Posted November 23, 2003 First thing I would have checked would be the cam chain tentioner.Good luck,and keep us posted.It's an '03 with HOW MANY MILES ALREADY???!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-TOOL Posted November 23, 2003 Author Share Posted November 23, 2003 Changed the CCT over to the x-11 @ about 17,000. Only thing thats been done recently was a new chain. Sprockets are good. Definetly sounds like its coming from the valves or possibly the cam chain. Yes it does increase as the RPM's do. I aint lookin for sympathy just a lil advice. I'll keep ya'll informed as to what the dealer finds. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete in PA Posted November 23, 2003 Share Posted November 23, 2003 This does belong in the garage, luckily I decided to go to the Pub tonight. :roll: From your description it does sound like a loose clearance on a valve although this doesn't usually happen all of the sudden. at 40k miles I've personally looked at my valves 3 times and logged the clearances. Intakes no change. Exausts change up or down 1 thou. still in spec. If normal wear it won't be covered under warantee. sorry. Please let us know what it is as this is very rare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJP XX Posted November 23, 2003 Share Posted November 23, 2003 A former XX rider, Dutch, had similar noises from his birdie after a day at the track. It wound up being the CCT. I hope that it is that simple. My XX, with 75k miles, never a CCT noise or problem. An '03 with 20k miles. I love it! :grin: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kg4fku Posted November 23, 2003 Share Posted November 23, 2003 It didn't sound like a CCT. More like a valve. When the bike cooled down in the garage the noise was not as noticeable, but was still there. Hopefully it is nothing to bad. Glad you made it back man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northman Posted November 23, 2003 Share Posted November 23, 2003 My vote is for the CCT. You can diagnose it easy enough yourself. Just remove the right side panel, then the 8mm head bolt in the back of the CCT. Leave the bike running at idle, and using a small screwdriver, lightly turn the adjuster screw inwards (clockwise) and see if the noise disappears. You will probably also be able to "feel" the clicking through the CCT when the bike's running. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-TOOL Posted November 25, 2003 Author Share Posted November 25, 2003 Dealer called this morning w/ horrible news. Apparently the bike threw a rod and now needs a new crank. G.D....... M.F'n.......S.O.B :evil: !!!!!!!!!!! Said it will be a week or two before it will be done. Most of the time will be waiting for parts, 7-10 days at the least. In the mean time I picked up a new battery for my Aprilia 650. I guess that will have to hold me over for a while. Keep ya'll posted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-TOOL Posted November 25, 2003 Author Share Posted November 25, 2003 The service guy asked me if I do a lot of wheelies. Which I dont, just the occasional powerwheelie. Kg4fku said that he thought somebody on the board had a similar problem w/ an 03. Does anybody remember this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcrich Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 Well fuck, Mike, that sucks. A rod eh? Who would have thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrdxx Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 Make sure the mechanic is aware of the circumstances regarding the onset of the noise (sustained high speed runs judging from your first post). Oil starvation may have contributed, and you need to be sure that all oil passages are free and clear, and the oil pump is up to snuff, or you may be settin yourself up for another failure down the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJP XX Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 Wow! That is the first engine failure on an XX that I can remember! Silly question...is this covered under warranty? I hope so. At least you have another bike to ride. :grin: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-TOOL Posted November 25, 2003 Author Share Posted November 25, 2003 Just keeps gettin better and better. Now the dealership is saying that because I put slip ons on w/out remapping the engine ran so lean and hot it was collapsing the piston. Said I need a new piston and crank, bearings , seals and other shiat.. WTF? I need some advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-TOOL Posted November 25, 2003 Author Share Posted November 25, 2003 UPDATE: Dealer says a rough estimate is about $3-$4000 for parts and labor. WWWWOOOOOWWWWW!!!! Can you say ROYALLY FUCKED? He's gonna call the HONDA rep in to see if it can be covered under warranty. But, service manager says he's 99.9% sure that the rep will say no warranty. I told him that if it's not covered under warranty to stop working on it cause I sure the fuck aint got that kinda money. Kinda up shit creek...... bird was my primary transportation (and the love of my life)! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XX4me Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 Are they going to cover any of the damage? If not let me know I have some perfectly good stock piston rods I might be persuaded to let go of. I also know where a person might find a crank. Advice: Don't bother with the 1200cc bigbore kit I have seen what the block looks like after boring and there isn't much metal left between the cylinders. I did mine 1/2 millimeter over and it left quite a bit of steel. If you have to get new pistons go with some custom ones from JE they'll make whatever compression ratio you want for about $650.00. Forrest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampNut Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 What the dealer says sounds highly suspicious to me. I'd try another dealer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-TOOL Posted November 25, 2003 Author Share Posted November 25, 2003 If the rep says no warranty then I'm gonna gather all of the pieces and take it somewhere else. They have the motor apart. He said it's really obvious that its been running hot. Said the exhaust ports on #4 cyl look like somebody spray painted them white. He said that initially they thought that nitrous was used, but after checking the airbox they found that that was not the case. He wanted me to come and look at it but I wasnt able to make it today. Just found out that the regional rep is on vacation till after Thanksgiving. So it will be at least a week or two before he can look at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XX Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 it's alway a huge bummer when shit like this goes down... heart out to ya. if no warranty, DEFINITELY take it to another dealer for a 2nd opinion! that's a lot of money! you could almost buy another bike and keep the old one for parts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XXTi Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 I don't know if it is even an option, but the engine from Brett's totalled bike might work for you. I know it had a little damage, but I can't remember much other than the oil pan. You might PM Richard Cranium and "explore the possibilities". :grin: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-TOOL Posted November 26, 2003 Author Share Posted November 26, 2003 I'm gonna fight this thing toothand nail. Hopefully I wont need it, but I'll PM him just in case. Thanks to XX4me also for the extra ammo to fight this thing w/. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomek Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 Said the exhaust ports on #4 cyl look like somebody spray painted them white. So just one port has 'ash" and they try to blame your slip-ons for it? What a B.S. Looks like you have very special engine where slipons affect only one cylinder.Slipons would not cause this kind of catastrophe. Loose intake manifold,throttle body,etc could cause that. I think you should find a lawyer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrdxx Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 It's bad timing for sure, happening right before the holidays, but you might have to be patient to hook up with a Honda rep. And I'm not so sure I'd trust the particular shop's assessment of the damages and repairs. It might be prudent to settle with them, and get an estimate from another shop. It sounds like they're going to try and take you for a ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G2 Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 Hopefully you can find a shop with the knowledge and skills to help you AND put some pressure on a Honda rep to make it right. Individuals here have phone numbers and contacts that might help. Use all your resources. Keep us up to date. G2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northman Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 This whole deal smells very bad to me. Why would the dealer rip the engine completely down before gaining approval to repair, either from you, or Honda? Why would they "suspect nitrous", and hadn't ruled that out when disassembling the intake system initially? I would phone Honda customer service, and lose it over this dealer. File a complaint, and demand that someone come to inspect the bike right away as you feel you are being scammed. Keep fighting, and keep us updated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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