MrBadExxample Posted October 9, 2007 Author Share Posted October 9, 2007 If someone happened to be doing the adjustment, pics would be great to see. I haven't heard of maybe doing it I'm sure it can't hurt. There's a stripped down XX in my garage, I'll photograph the three adjustment points this evening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OZDave Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 I'm still having difficulty understanding how adjusting the balance shafts affects gear changes. Not disbelieving. just trying to work out how it would do anything in that area? :icon_think: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airborneXX Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 The balancers take out the higher frequency vibrations, it appears the transmission is gear driven off the crankshaft. The vibes would obviously transfer into the transmission which could cause some difficulty in shifting. When you smooth out the vibrations at the crank it smooths out the transmission giving you smoother shifting. The Honda manual has a section in the back briefly explaining the balancers. I could be way off base in my explanation. I'm sure someone here with more experience will explain better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redxxrdr Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 If someone happened to be doing the adjustment, pics would be great to see. I haven't heard of maybe doing it I'm sure it can't hurt. I've got a stripped down XX in the garage, I'll photograph the three adjustment points this evening. Pictures would be great!!! I have noticed that I get more vibrations after a high heat ride. ( Stop and Go). Rubber mounts on balancers? The bike seems to smooth out again after sitting a few days. Vibrations never come close to my Magna, but they still change. I know the European site did a long thread on vibes, but never found a finite answer. Thanks for the efforts to train the rest of us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbrxxquad Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Yes I have had the ballencers apart and they do have rubber dampening kind of like the cush drive in the rear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
testrider Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 If someone happened to be doing the adjustment, pics would be great to see. I haven't heard of maybe doing it I'm sure it can't hurt. There's a stripped down XX in my garage, I'll photograph the three adjustment points this evening. Please do. That'll be greatly appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbracerx Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Sign me up for the pic update Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02XXCA Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 I need more pictures! Where in the hell are all the adjustment points. The manual needs more pictures! There's one on the left rear of the engine, just above the water pump. Another on the right rear of the engine, about six inches across from the other one. The third one is on the right front of the engine, down low. I'm a very visual person so the pics would be great plus any nws you have to offer as well! The manual pics, there so close your not sure the engine is not upside down or which side the pic is taken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBadExxample Posted October 9, 2007 Author Share Posted October 9, 2007 Well then, pictures it is. Step 1. - warm up engine, let it idle. Step 2. Loosen pinch bolt. With a large slotted screwdriver, turn Rear Balancer Idle Gear Shaft clockwise until the gears whine, then back off one gradation. Tighten pinch bolt. Step 3. Loosen pinch bolt. With a large slotted screwdriver, turn Rear Balancer Shaft counter-clockwise until the gears whine, then back off one gradation. Tighten pinch bolt. Step 4. Loosen pinch bolt. With a large slotted screwdriver, turn Front Balancer Shaft clockwise until the gears whine, then back off one gradation. Tighten pinch bolt. Step 5. RTFM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbrxxquad Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 5 rtfm???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redbird Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Read the fucking manual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbrxxquad Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Read the fucking manual. lol ok! derrr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02XXCA Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Well then, pictures it is. Step 1. - warm up engine, let it idle. Step 2. Loosen pinch bolt. With a large slotted screwdriver, turn Rear Balancer Idle Gear Shaft clockwise until the gears whine, then back off one gradation. Tighten pinch bolt. Step 3. Loosen pinch bolt. With a large slotted screwdriver, turn Rear Balancer Shaft counter-clockwise until the gears whine, then back off one gradation. Tighten pinch bolt. Step 4. Loosen pinch bolt. With a large slotted screwdriver, turn Front Balancer Shaft clockwise until the gears whine, then back off one gradation. Tighten pinch bolt. Step 5. RTFM It sounded like the manual said adjust with engine cold and turned off, then start and check, adjust if needed then tighten up. Did I miss something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBadExxample Posted October 10, 2007 Author Share Posted October 10, 2007 It sounded like the manual said adjust with engine cold and turned off, then start and check, adjust if needed then tighten up. Did I miss something? There are two parts to the procedure. Yes the first part is done with the engine off. You turn the shaft till you feel resistance and then back off a gradation. When I did that part, nothing really changed. The second part is done with the engine warm and running, which is what I described in the photo post. It created the improvements described in my opening post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CALCXX Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Thanks for the pics and explaination. I copied to file and printed the pics and procedure. Thanks again. My friends 01 XX is in need of this adjustment. Cal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02XXCA Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 It sounded like the manual said adjust with engine cold and turned off, then start and check, adjust if needed then tighten up. Did I miss something? There are two parts to the procedure. Yes the first part is done with the engine off. You turn the shaft till you feel resistance and then back off a gradation. When I did that part, nothing really changed. The second part is done with the engine warm and running, which is what I described in the photo post. It created the improvements described in my opening post. Thanks for taking the time, I have a over 65700 miles and I'm hearing a little noise, so I'm going to try and adjust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airborneXX Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 I understood the engine off and cold part to be done after assembly of the engine. For those that do the adjustment please post up your results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Para045 Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 I was looking at doing this a while back as my XX is at ~62 000km and I have a bit of a vibration from the bars and left foot peg but the manual was a bit vague I think a lot is chain related but I think some is definitely engine :icon_think: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon haney Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 The balancers take out the higher frequency vibrations, it appears the transmission is gear driven off the crankshaft. The vibes would obviously transfer into the transmission which could cause some difficulty in shifting. When you smooth out the vibrations at the crank it smooths out the transmission giving you smoother shifting. I guess I can buy that explanation, however, I didn't notice any different shifting characteristics between the proper timing on the bottom balancer and when it was 180 degrees out. Also, I thought all you did was adjust the gear back-lash. That shouldn't change any vibes, just the noise. Of course the power of the mind can be a funny thing. I put new brake discs on my truck last week and it somehow feels faster. Go figure?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redxxrdr Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Step 5. RTFM That's my problem, I can't read. Is the whining easy to distinguish? The gears, not mine I must check out that old BIRD thread and see what they tried. Thanks again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBadExxample Posted October 10, 2007 Author Share Posted October 10, 2007 Is the whining easy to distinguish? The gears, not mine On my bike the whining was unmistakeable. Turn the shaft too far and the tranny sings like Michael Jackson at a daycare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete in PA Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 :icon_lmao: :icon_lmao: I'm going to have to do this. I've also been thinking mine is noisy, no vibes, just noisy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete in PA Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Thanks for motivating me to do this! Engine is a LOT quieter! It seems like the kind of noise you got used to and don't notice till it's gone. I had to turn 1 adjuster a half turn to get the whine. Makes me wonder if it was ever done right at the factory. Can't see that much adjustment needed for wear. The 2 right side ones were easy, the left one next to the starter was a bitch just to see it with the coolant hoses and wires in the way. I had to prop the tank and with the right length extension and universal break the pinch bolt loose. also don't snap the throttle without first tightening the bolt or it will move and you'll loose your adjustment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBadExxample Posted October 16, 2007 Author Share Posted October 16, 2007 You're Welcome Pete. Thanks for sharing your story. Anyone else done this yet? Have a seat on the sofa and tell how it felt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast Eddy Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Have a seat on the sofa and tell how it felt. You felt who on the sofa.... J/K Thanks for all the info, I was looking for some winter projects :icon_thumbsup: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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