SwampNut

Sounds like you have something similar to where I put my sharpening grinder. Two sheets of ply on top of a sheet of light-weight shelf material with melamine. We used to use it as a mini-bench. Old well-made industrial cabinets were CHEAP during the 2008 recession.

Bounce and noise--if you hammer things, it gives and bounces and is loud. Cold in winter. I don't want to rest my arms on it or touch it. Dark, so it's hard to see parts. Can't write on it to make notes as you go. Things stick to it, like adhesives. Once you weld on a surface it's never quite perfect again. (Well, once *I* weld on a surface, with the normal amateur fuckups.) Conductive, so you can't use it for electrical projects, tests, and such.

I gave this a lot of thought since you posted, and came up with Oscar's idea too. The metal table is not nice for anything at all other than welding. So I'd make up a melamine table that is good and solid, maybe just the scrap countertop idea posted earlier. My MDF requirement is optimal, but the lighter substrates are not terrible. Then have a square metal piece on a frame that you can set on top of it. It needs to be framed to stay flat, and to keep from melting the other table. Go to a metal seller, ask for whatever size of 1/4 plate and some square tube, done. Shit, get fancy and put it on hinges, so it hangs off the back of the table and swings up for usage... It does.

No, I'm aware, and even have some. Your study link is broken. Not super important since that site is a pay-to-publish sham, so it may be low value anyway. Sources matter. Predatory publishing exploits the pay-to-publish model of open-access journals. Legit open-access journals charge authors fees (APCs) to make research free to read, ensuring quality through peer review. Predatory publishers skip the rigor, charging fees for quick, sham publications with little or no review. They profit off researchers’ pressure to publish, offering low credibility in return.

Any metal supply shop. Heavy as in...1/4" or so? My welding table top is a simple 1/4" sheet. But beware, it's really not as nice to work on as you might think. I'd much rather use the wood for nearly anything other than welding. My welding table is mostly unused, though it's huge and solid. It has a built in vise on one end and metal bandsaw on the other. Love it for metal work. Tim mentioned a transmission, and for that, what I've seen at Aamco is a basin-table that has a drain with parts catcher, and built in strainer along the other side. There are so many things if you want to do something specific. What do you want to do on it?

See if it moans or screams when you drill it.

The top is, the underside seems to be some shitty particle board, which may be ok for you, dunno. Wouldn't work for my needs. Also, rarely available in straight white. Which is racist and gender intolerant.

Absolute fucking whack idiot. My original assertion that numbers do lie is based on the fact that his studies lack control groups, randomization, independent verification, or pretty much anything that makes a proper study valid. If he's right, it's purely by coincidence since his methods have no connection to rational medical research. He sells his services as a speaker, consultant, and purveyor of "special" versions of these common chemicals that you can buy on Amazon. He thinks vaccines cause autism and that chlorine dioxide cures autism. Yeah, THAT retarded. Or wait, no, he's being suppressed by big pharma and all their drug money from autism trea.....oh wait, there aren't any.

Yes. At some point if you truly dropped something hard and pointy on it, I assume it would dent, but it's fucking tough. I've tested: Industrial cyanoacrylate with accelerator Acetone Methyl ethyl ketone Gas Alcohols up to 99% PVA glue (common wood glue) Various random sprays in the shop I removed the glues with chisels and it was hard (not impossible) to make slight marks in it. This was before ceramic, I suspect the ceramic makes it super easy to remove but haven't tested yet. It's "horizontal grade" melamine (countertops). For the last 15 years or whatever I've been using vertical grade (walls), the most common, and had no idea. This is Wilson Art brand, Formica is the one you remember from the 70s in that glorious avocado and gold kitchen, and there's another common brand. You can use any contact cement, for large spaces you can use a can and trowel, but small spaces like this are easy with spray. You spray both sides, and let them dry. They become instantly bonding, which is how we fucked up the first one, accidental false move, fucked. You put dowels on the bottom surface, around 12-18 inches apart, then put the melamine on those. Line it all up. Remove the dowel at one end and slowly lay that end down keeping it aligned. Now, you start with the melamine cut oversized, by as much as you'd like for margin of error. Once it's laid down, you use a trim router with a bearing bit to clean the edges. It comes out perfect since the bearing bit is perfectly aligned. Do you own routers? Bits? You could get a "good enough" edge with a jigsaw maybe. I am 100% in love with the surface, the visibility, everything. I'm pissed that I spent this much of my life not having it. One of my friends loved it so much we just did a small rolling bench for his shop on Saturday with the same stuff. His underlayment is high grade ply, not MDF; he doesn't need the massive/non-resonant surface like I do. The HD link I posted is what I got. Order that, choose a color, but white is right. It makes parts visible, and preserves shop lighting/contrast. The matte surface is a perfect blend of slick and not so slippery that things want to shoot off. Like the day my room mate brought a chick home in a satin dress and threw her across his satin sheets. Glue: https://www.homedepot.com/p/3M-12-6-oz-Max-Strength-Contact-Adhesive-90-NAT/332102344 If that's illegal in WA, there's a low-VOC version that I have not tried. Oh, if you do this indoors, you really must wear an organic vapor mask. If you don't have one, I really like this, in the long run it's so cheap, and it's very comfortable: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007JZ1N00?ref_=ppx_hzsearch_conn_dt_b_fed_asin_title_2&th=1

Final step, it is truly complete...ceramic coating. This material is amazing, and I hate that I spent 20 years with the inferior version from not knowing the difference. Nothing harms it. I needed to cut a couple of new outdoor roller blinds, and it was so easy being able to run a knife right against the table. I held my breath, but it didn't do anything to the table. No mark, nothing you can feel. A brand new carbide-edged utility blade (which BTW I highly recommend over plain steel). So much easier than trying to juggle a backer. If you have a workbench, I recommend that you do this.

Huh, this sounds like a general interesting idea. I bet they have trash lockers like Home Depot however. Depot will often let you take a truck load of cutoff lumber though.

LOL, so far it's a documented placebo, but that could be bullshit too.

I disagree, but hear me out, you might agree with this. Educated people were re-educated by the cult and MSM into using talking points instead of logic and reasoning. Some people willingly discarded decades of watching doctor shows and surgeons being clean/masked, obviously, and not the patient, and threw that out overnight when told to. Predictably the non-profit I'm involved with on long COVID simply says that the evidence is tenuous, and might be worth looking into. However, they said this, which I haven't further researched on my own. Again, these people are suffering themselves AND have no profit motive. Oxidative damage is another insidious "hidden" danger that is similar to long COVID in many ways. Lack of Safe Oral Threshold No human clinical trials establish a safe oral dose for therapeutic chlorine dioxide use. The Journal of Hospital Infection (2021) and similar studies confirm its efficacy as a surface disinfectant (e.g., 80 ppm), but this does not translate to internal safety. Toxicological data suggest that even doses below acute toxicity levels (e.g., 10-20 mg/kg in rats) cause oxidative damage over time, per Toxicological Sciences (1984). I wish I didn't have to keep saying this, but none of the above expresses an opinion for/against the OP since I'm not educated enough to have one. This is about taking apart evidence, which is what peer reviews do, and about asking actual experts for advice.

It was, even among five year olds, until the freedumb virus took some peoples' brains.

I've seen a container of Chinese goods arrive with all the same serial number. Same as the last batch. And the one before that. I still have that motorcycle lock but never use it.

Didn't get the results they wanted and paid for? Yah nah, I'm now involved with a non-profit seeking long COVID solutions and there's just no money motivation there at all. I just posted this on their Slack, but I have an NDA so I don't know what I can say back. This water purifier has been proposed as a cure-all since the 80s, BTW. Also, nothing above infers an opinion on the product or results. I am dispelling the idea that numbers don't lie (they do) and that there is evidence of function (very slim). I have no opinion on it and likely will not.

Er, yeah, they very often do. You can pick it up on Amazon for a few bucks. As of February 20, 2025, there is limited scientific evidence specifically supporting the use of an aqueous solution of chlorine dioxide (ClO₂) for the treatment of long COVID, also known as post-acute sequelae of SARS-CoV-2 infection (PASC). Long COVID refers to a range of persistent symptoms following a SARS-CoV-2 infection, such as fatigue, dyspnea, and cognitive difficulties, and research into effective treatments is still evolving. Below, I’ll outline the available studies and relevant findings based on my analysis, while noting the gaps and limitations in the current body of evidence. One study that directly addresses chlorine dioxide in the context of long COVID is a retrospective analysis titled "COVID-19 Long-Term Effects in Patients Treated with Chlorine Dioxide," published in the International Journal of Multidisciplinary Research and Analysis in August 2021. This study reviewed a database of 200 randomly selected patients with confirmed COVID-19 who were treated with an aqueous chlorine dioxide solution (referred to as CDS, at a concentration of 0.0003% or 3 ppm). The researchers assessed the presence of long-term symptoms such as fatigue, cough, and dyspnea post-recovery. They reported that patients treated with CDS exhibited a lower incidence of these chronic symptoms compared to what might be expected based on other reports of long COVID. Specifically, the study suggested that CDS could mitigate the development of long-term effects, with findings indicating a statistically significant reduction in symptom persistence in the treated group. However, this study has significant limitations: it lacks a control group, is not peer-reviewed in a high-impact journal, and relies on retrospective data from a single center, making it difficult to draw definitive conclusions about causality or efficacy. Another relevant piece of research comes from a broader context of chlorine dioxide’s purported effects on COVID-19, which may indirectly relate to long COVID. A clinical trial registered on ClinicalTrials.gov (NCT04343742), sponsored by the Genesis Foundation in Colombia, aimed to evaluate the effectiveness of oral chlorine dioxide administration for treating COVID-19 in 20 volunteers. While this study could theoretically provide insights into long-term outcomes if followed up, no results have been published as of my last update, and it does not specifically target long COVID. Without published data, it cannot be cited as supporting evidence for long COVID treatment. Additionally, a narrative review in the International Journal of Medicine and Medical Sciences (2021) titled "The Chlorine Dioxide Controversy: A Deadly Poison or a Cure for COVID-19?" discusses preliminary evidence from a clinical trial in Bolivia, where chlorine dioxide was used to treat acute COVID-19. The review suggests that patients treated with low-dose aqueous ClO₂ (not specified in concentration) recovered more quickly and potentially had fewer lingering symptoms, based on unpublished data referenced by the authors. While this hints at a possible reduction in long COVID risk, the lack of peer-reviewed, published results and specific focus on post-acute symptoms limits its applicability. The review also emphasizes chlorine dioxide’s virucidal properties, demonstrated in vitro against SARS-CoV-2, which could theoretically reduce viral persistence—a hypothesized contributor to long COVID—but this remains speculative without clinical corroboration. Beyond these, most studies on chlorine dioxide focus on its use as a disinfectant or its acute antiviral effects rather than its application for long COVID. For instance, research published in the Journal of Hospital Infection (2021) demonstrated that chlorine dioxide at 80 ppm inactivated SARS-CoV-2 by over 4 log₁₀ in 10 seconds in vitro, but this pertains to surface disinfection, not internal therapeutic use. Similarly, a study from Taiko Pharmaceutical and Kitasato University (2021) showed that a 154 ppm ClO₂ solution inactivated over 99.99% of SARS-CoV-2 variants within 60 seconds, yet this was also an external application study, not a treatment for human ingestion or long-term symptoms. The scarcity of robust, peer-reviewed studies specifically targeting long COVID and chlorine dioxide reflects a broader caution from health authorities. The FDA, PAHO, and other organizations have consistently warned against ingesting chlorine dioxide due to its lack of proven efficacy and potential toxicity (e.g., methemoglobinemia, renal damage) at high doses, though low-dose safety is less clear-cut and merits further investigation. A systematic review in PubMed (2021) concluded that no scientific evidence supports chlorine dioxide as a preventive or therapeutic agent for COVID-19, let alone long COVID, based on the absence of randomized controlled trials (RCTs). In summary, while the 2021 retrospective study suggests a potential benefit of aqueous chlorine dioxide in reducing long COVID symptoms, it is not conclusive due to methodological weaknesses. Other references, like the Bolivian trial data or registered studies, remain unpublished or tangential. The scientific community lacks high-quality RCTs or longitudinal studies directly linking chlorine dioxide to long COVID relief. Given the current evidence gap and safety concerns, any use of chlorine dioxide for this purpose remains experimental and unsupported by mainstream medical consensus. Further research, particularly controlled clinical trials, is needed to validate or refute these preliminary findings.

I ceramic coated the cigar ashtrays yesterday. I'm fine. I can quit any time.

The first thing I'd do is remove the jack, and try Google reverse image search from two angles. One with the label clear, and one with any detailed features clear. Ooooh...or try Grok AI with an image; it's fucking amazing at making images, maybe it's good at finding them. If you give me a couple of good ones I will try them in Perplexity Pro.

Dude has serious back issues that are both genetic and age related. So much so that he's been through all the basic levels and got the attention of a famous surgeon. One of the discussions involved him asking if he should use the GHK-Cu, BPC-157, and TB-500 peptide compound that I had talked about. It's well documented and known for tissue regeneration and angiogenesis. The surgeon's answer wasn't what we expected. It was a "YES! Do it now, just do it." Peptides may get some respect with our new government team leader. Also, GHK-Cu is very pretty, it's the oxidized copper.

I was wrong. That stuff will vastly under-perform compared to others. The spray-on ceramics are mostly a scam. They can be used to refresh real ceramic, but are nearly worthless as a base coating. I use this one, which is honest in saying that it's to use OVER real ceramic, but is not real ceramic coating.

I suspect that their normal ceramic will be just like everyone else's. The restorer is the one that I find magical. I hope I'm wrong, and that the one you pictured is somehow magic too.

Is 1/4 one of them? I may have too many.

Fuck, that is new!

"We've always done it this way." "I don't like to learn new tech." "It was working fine yesterday."