TurboJoe Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 I want radial mounted brakes... I plan on doing the ZX 14 swingarm to get the extra 2in and 190 tire. Waiting on swingarm now. So when it comes to the front end, can ZX14 forks be used with CBR 929 triples or a 929lower/954upper combo? Would this not eliminate the ignition mounting/bearing issue? I plan to use ZX14 wheels BTW. All help is greatly appreciated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrick Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 All of your assumptions are correct. I have an early 954 lower with an RC51 SP1 top clamp. The 929 lower is the same as the early 954 lower, IIRC. It even allows for the use of the OEM XX 6-hole stem bolt, a nice touch I thought. Ignition bolts up fine, but steering stops will need fabrication and the steering lock doesn't quite line up - I still need to Dremel out the holes in the frame so it will line up. It's not a lot of material to remove. The ZX swing arm isn't necessary, but would certainly simplify the operation - especially shims and brake choice. I have ZX12R wheels on the XX swing arm and a 12R caliper. It doesn't require anything custom (unless cutting an axle spacer with a Dremel is over your head) but does take some eBay shopping, and extra ZX OEM spacer, and careful measuring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboJoe Posted January 5, 2014 Author Share Posted January 5, 2014 All of your assumptions are correct. I have an early 954 lower with an RC51 SP1 top clamp. The 929 lower is the same as the early 954 lower, IIRC. It even allows for the use of the OEM XX 6-hole stem bolt, a nice touch I thought. Ignition bolts up fine, but steering stops will need fabrication and the steering lock doesn't quite line up - I still need to Dremel out the holes in the frame so it will line up. It's not a lot of material to remove. The ZX swing arm isn't necessary, but would certainly simplify the operation - especially shims and brake choice. I have ZX12R wheels on the XX swing arm and a 12R caliper. It doesn't require anything custom (unless cutting an axle spacer with a Dremel is over your head) but does take some eBay shopping, and extra ZX OEM spacer, and careful measuring. Thanks iFanboi... the issue I have is finding SP1 parts. they are like looking for a needle in a haystack. Did you try the 929 upper? I'm doing the ZX swingarm to save on powder coating the XX arm black as well :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrick Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Right, I just happened across that puppy on eBay by chance. IIRC, the 929 uppers have a "gull wing" that may or may not be of value - the early 954 are the same dimensions with the exception of the drop where the clamp is. There is something about the later 954 triples that make them unsuitable - they may have a larger stem size or something, can't remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboJoe Posted January 6, 2014 Author Share Posted January 6, 2014 Hey I notice that you are from Tennessee. I am from Knoxville but relocated to Georgia due to my job. I miss the Dragon. Maybe I'll post some of my past project bikes. Last was a turbo Busa that Killboy still uses in his videos and ads.... I know local fame right! You help is greatly appreciated. I think I will go with 929 trees then... Is there a difference in the 2012-13 zx14 forks? They are black and would definitely go with my scheme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrick Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 By all means, post the pics of your old projects! I don't know if anything changed in the 12-13ZX forks. I used the forks from a '12 and have been happy with them other than the valving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboJoe Posted January 7, 2014 Author Share Posted January 7, 2014 This is me navigating the Dragon on my turbo Busa... 10in over but was still able to grind the K&N flat leaning into the curves. I will add more pics by creating a gallery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackhawkxx Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 So what kind of quarter miles does that Busa turn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Krypt Keeper Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Gen 1 busa front ends have been used on the XX also to convert over. looked into that myself know you got some busa experiance, also some on hayabusa.org have converted their gen 1 with gen 2 front ends. might be able to pickup a set cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboJoe Posted January 8, 2014 Author Share Posted January 8, 2014 Only did one test and tune at the local 1/8th mile strip...it was a mid 5's bike. 220hp on the dyno. I miss that bike....traded for and R1 and a lot of boot :-) Then I bought a Harley Night Train and tricked it out. Then took profits from that and bought an Ultra Classic (Notice the old man factor setting in). Then came my daughter...Then bikeless for 5 years until my last September when my wife got tired of my lip dragging and bought the Blackbird for my birthday. She won't admit it but she missed riding as much as I did. How do I know??? she said "I hope you don't solo seat it like you did the Night Train and the Busa" LOL Before -Sunglow Red After -Black with Red/Silver flames Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboJoe Posted January 8, 2014 Author Share Posted January 8, 2014 Gen 1 busa front ends have been used on the XX also to convert over. looked into that myself know you got some busa experiance, also some on hayabusa.org have converted their gen 1 with gen 2 front ends. might be able to pickup a set cheap. I thought about a Busa front but became intrigued around matching the front and rear wheels using ZX14 wheels. Maybe someone can tell me why I have not heard of anyone using ZX14 forks with 04-05 1000RR triple set since the have the same bearings upper and lower.????????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrick Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 For me, it was simply availability. No reason why the entire 1000RR front shouldn't go - do it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbrbear Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 I have an entire 1000RR front end if someone wants to try it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbrxxquad Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 No rr stuff is not going to work. Narrow. Least the new stuff is.Big stem too. I have stuff to do this with, wheels and arm and shock and links modded etc. Been converting mine,,,a lot...Let me know, but been real busy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrick Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Huh, I thought the 1000RR was one that I checked - sorry for the bad info. I won't even go back and check, Stan knows his shit so there's just no question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboJoe Posted January 20, 2014 Author Share Posted January 20, 2014 Thanks Guys... Well so far I have: SP1 Lower (need upper but may go with billet upper...any thoughts???) ZX14 forks ZX14 Swingarm and brake bracket & caliper Stan...did you machine links for the swing arm or just shortened/welded to mod??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrick Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Sounds like a good start. If you camp out for long enough, you might catch a SP1 upper on eBay. That said, the billet uppers aren't too far out of the realm of reality (though some are a little fugly). I wish I had gone to tapered bearings for the stem when I did it from the start, I still have to find some... Stock 14 front brake lines are a tad short and routing is not optimal, I still need to replace with some longer braided SS lines. Have to be creative on the horn mount. I don't have steering stops on mine yet. That may never happen. Bars don't hit the tank, so... Throttle cable routing was finicky on mine, YMMV. Deciding on the front fender was a big one - I didn't like the 14 fender much, and wound up with a CF knockoff of a ZX-12 fender from China (and it's a thing of beauty). I don't know what the rear master will need to be, maybe Stan can jump in on whether the XX master will pump it. Longer chain in your case, obviously. Measure ride height on the front before you start disassembly. That will give you a baseline to start adjusting from. Can't wait to hear how the SP1 lower works! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbrxxquad Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 I went with the billet upper. Love it. The thing I ran into, well the lower did is the ram air tubes. I went with some button head allens I think. Cut the stops off the lower too and drilled and tapped for some allens and spacers verticle out of the lower to hit the frame. Yes, I cut and welded the stock links cause I could not afford the best way to do it. There are some adjustable links for the 14, and could be cut down and used to give your self a little room to set the tire off the ground on the rear. I had to build a few. Also, you need a upper mount built that will allow the 14 shock to turn 90 and clear the overflow bottle. I built one from a stock top shock mount and a shaft out of a link like the BB one from the frame to the triangles. The 14 wheels I have are red. 41 sprocket to get your spedo right. Pretty new rear pr3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbrxxquad Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 upper I used http://tyga-performance.com/site/index.php?cPath=72_1036_892_894 Rear master is the same on both bikes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboJoe Posted January 20, 2014 Author Share Posted January 20, 2014 I went with the billet upper. Love it. The thing I ran into, well the lower did is the ram air tubes. I went with some button head allens I think. Cut the stops off the lower too and drilled and tapped for some allens and spacers verticle out of the lower to hit the frame. Yes, I cut and welded the stock links cause I could not afford the best way to do it. There are some adjustable links for the 14, and could be cut down and used to give your self a little room to set the tire off the ground on the rear. I had to build a few. Also, you need a upper mount built that will allow the 14 shock to turn 90 and clear the overflow bottle. I built one from a stock top shock mount and a shaft out of a link like the BB one from the frame to the triangles. The 14 wheels I have are red. 41 sprocket to get your spedo right. Pretty new rear pr3. Stan...about the links. I am wondering if billet links as those pictured here (2-4indrop) will work or do I need the threaded adjuster style (1-3in drop) cutting the coupler? I will be in touch on other needed parts :-). Thanks for informing me of your inventory. I am sure it may as helpful as your advise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbrxxquad Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Missing the pictures. But, the links are bout an inch and a half shorter than the stock links. Figured would have to cut the coupler and maybe the threads of the ends too. I can give you a distance for mine with the top adapter. Oh yeah, carb throttle cables work for the additional length. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboJoe Posted January 21, 2014 Author Share Posted January 21, 2014 Stan: Sorry I forgot the pictures but from you last post...I get it. It's the threaded ones that you were speaking of. As soon as I get the staple parts, I will be in touch with you for all the intricate parts of the build. BTW PM me a price for the wheels...thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbrxxquad Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Any nicks in the wheel can be touched up with the paint from the 01 bb. Perfect wheels other than that. I have some 929 954 bars with trick ends and grips. They are what you want. Fender is not show as it has some wear but nothing that shows. It is high dollar. You do know the silver is the base coat for the red bikes. More later. Really we need to call. Too much typing makes me crazzzy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxturbo Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 I use 600rr now and there great but if u want some thing easy to install and really good sp2 front with sp1 triple its a bolt on and for brakes gsxr 6 piston will bolt right in with 07r1 master you will have the best brakes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxturbo Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Here is a pic each Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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