DaveK Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 Question hoping someone can shed some light on for me. Now that I have a US made bike I had to buy a whole 2nd set of NON-metric tools. Why would they put bolts that take a TORX head and an Allen or HEX head on the same bike? I never knew TORX even existed before the Harley. AND....why is the 8 piece TORX ratchet set $39.99 and the Hex 8 piece set $14.99. I already snapped the TORX head off the ratchet. Thankful Sears is so easy with the Life Time warranty. ALSO....what is the difference between SAE and regular stuff ? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceman_40 Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 Torx is less common so it's more expencive... Harley does weird things with nuts/bolts and other fasteners.. I think they just do it to fuck with people who want to work on there bikes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airborneXX Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 Because half of Harley's "american made" bikes are made of Jap parts. Torx is not as common as "allen" or hex, therefore the higher ass raping price. What do you mean the difference between SAE and standard stuff? And the restaurant called they want you to go clean up your mess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted November 5, 2006 Author Share Posted November 5, 2006 Because half of Harley's "american made" bikes are made of Jap parts. Torx is not as common as "allen" or hex, therefore the higher ass raping price. What do you mean the difference between SAE and standard stuff? And the restaurant called they want you to go clean up your mess Keyboard courage.....you must be drinking crown and ginger ! Some sets of wrenches say SAE and some don't. When I look at the packaging the wrenched look the same to me. Sizes and all. Actually the SAE ones are a bit more expensive...but identical to the eye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airborneXX Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 SAE will have the size in fractions... 3/8, 7/16 1/2... Metric will be numbers 8,9,10,11,12... Torx will be T5, T10, T15... Now stop polluting this thread with your lack of knowledge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dion Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 Dave with tools! Now there's a scary proposition. Hide your machinary folks! What Brett said Dave. OK useless trivia time - Torx were adopted by GM as a more efficient fastener because they are less prone to being stripped like an allen type fastener for higher torque applications. Hence the name "Torx" Also, because of the design they can be removed with a screw driver. This is why you will see things like the ignition switch on Suzuki's secured with "Security" fasteners which is simply a torx style with a center "tit" of metal left in the fastener to prevent the use of a screw driver. The proper tool for these is simply a torx type driver with a center hole in it to accomobate this "tit" Hey, I told you it was useless trivia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airborneXX Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 Huh huh you said TIT... TWICE!! Called tamper proof torx in the snap on tools catalog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceman_40 Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 Called tamper proof torx in the snap on tools catalog. When I bought my set that's what they were called too. Alot of IBM servers use these to stop people from working on them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airborneXX Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 Called tamper proof torx in the snap on tools catalog. When I bought my set that's what they were called too. Alot of IBM servers use these to stop people from working on them... It also holds our ignition switches on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted November 6, 2006 Author Share Posted November 6, 2006 WOW...Dion and Brett are ACTUALLY wrong. I love this... I went back to Sears and they told me and showed me what SAE is. The round part of the wrench.... You know one part is like a U and the other is a circle. Well SAE apparently is shaped EXACTLY the same shape as the bolt and NON-SAE is the circle with many angles inside the circle. I know SHIT about tools...but I am sure you tool timers know what I mean. Maybe I taught you something ? Prolly not though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrganDonor Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 Ummmm... you mean 6 point vs. 12 point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted November 6, 2006 Author Share Posted November 6, 2006 Ummmm... you mean 6 point vs. 12 point? What the hell is a point ? I have no clue....all I know is he said "it will not harm your paint". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrganDonor Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 That's a pretty broad and bold statement. So when you drop that wrench on your tank, and it's not going to fuck up the paint? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted November 6, 2006 Author Share Posted November 6, 2006 That's a pretty broad and bold statement. So when you drop that wrench on your tank, and it's not going to fuck up the paint? What are you talking about ? Silicon based fluid is either going to OR not going to mess my paint up. When did we start flinging wrenches. Forget it....you can NEVER get a straight answer from you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrganDonor Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 What fliud is there in those wrenchs, much less silicone based? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lois Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 Question hoping someone can shed some light on for me. Now that I have a US made bike I had to buy a whole 2nd set of NON-metric tools. Why would they put bolts that take a TORX head and an Allen or HEX head on the same bike? I never knew TORX even existed before the Harley. AND....why is the 8 piece TORX ratchet set $39.99 and the Hex 8 piece set $14.99. I already snapped the TORX head off the ratchet. Thankful Sears is so easy with the Life Time warranty. ALSO....what is the difference between SAE and regular stuff ? Thanks SAE= Society of Automotive Engineers In the case of tools, this just means that all tool sizes are the same no watter who makes then or where. 3/8's is 3/8's....there is no difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmike Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 Dave, airborneXX gave you the right answers... SAE means Society of (American) Automotive Engineers... all tool measurements are in inches or portions thereof... Obviously metric is... y'know... milimeters, centimeters, meters, etc... Torx is a copyrighted brand name fo a "security fastener" finding increasing use in the automotive genre... Anybody who told you that a 6-point box-end wrench is the definition of SAE... well, let's just say you could do better to find an information source. Sales personnel don't always know what they're selling. For a real explanation, and a free (downloadable) conversion program, visit www.joshmadison.com - it rocks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrganDonor Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 Ummmm Dave, I think you mixed your two threads. The fluid you're talking about here is probably meant for your leaking MC thread, not this other thread you started, ATTENTION WHORE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airborneXX Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 WOW...Dion and Brett are ACTUALLY wrong. I love this... I went back to Sears and they told me and showed me what SAE is. The round part of the wrench.... You know one part is like a U and the other is a circle. Well SAE apparently is shaped EXACTLY the same shape as the bolt and NON-SAE is the circle with many angles inside the circle. I know SHIT about tools...but I am sure you tool timers know what I mean. Maybe I taught you something ? Prolly not though. Yeah right a pimple faced kid that's younger than some of my underwear that never turned a wrench in his sorry ass life knows more about tools than me and Dion. Here's your hook back loverboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrganDonor Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 Shut up, Brett! Nobody likes you, Dave-lover! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airborneXX Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 Shut up, Brett! Nobody likes you, Dave-lover! Stop polluting this thread with your drivel. I just let out a fantastic fart while typing this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrganDonor Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 Did any of my love-juice escape? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airborneXX Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 No I slept standing on my head last night and it came out when I blew my nose this morning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warp11XX Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Tools 101 by Warp You can use an allen wrench to take out any of these tork fasteners if you have a large enough hammer to drive it in the torx head. :icon_doh: Break as many Craftsman Tools as you wish unless they are power tools or calibrated instruments. :icon_thumbsup: Craftsman, Snap-On, Mac, and Easco 1/4", 3/8", and 1/2" drive sockets are not expendable for just any purpose though. Go to Auto Zone and buy a $2.99 Great Neck if you're gonna beat on it....at least more than occasionally. Doing things that end up breaking 1/2" or bigger tools normally end up with entirely missing knuckles and possibly even stiches. BTDTST! I'm proud to say that I have not taken any vehicle I have owned, of any type, to the shop for anything other than required inspections, tires, front end alignments, or custom exhaust systems for over 25 years of driving. A large part of this is that I've never owned a Harley . NBL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dion Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Tools 101 by Warp You can use an allen wrench to take out any of these tork fasteners if you have a large enough hammer to drive it in the torx head. :icon_doh: Break as many Craftsman Tools as you wish unless they are power tools or calibrated instruments. :icon_thumbsup: Craftsman, Snap-On, Mac, and Easco 1/4", 3/8", and 1/2" drive sockets are not expendable for just any purpose though. Go to Auto Zone and buy a $2.99 Great Neck if you're gonna beat on it....at least more than occasionally. Doing things that end up breaking 1/2" or bigger tools normally end up with entirely missing knuckles and possibly even stiches. BTDTST! I'm proud to say that I have not taken any vehicle I have owned, of any type, to the shop for anything other than required inspections, tires, front end alignments, or custom exhaust systems for over 25 years of driving. A large part of this is that I've never owned a Harley . NBL Brett Fuck em all Brett! If you can't fix it fuck it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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