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Lower right corner of the webpage. Always makes me wonder.
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Stock XX stem is ~220mm. The ZX14 stem looks to be around 250mm - difficult to be exact when mounted.
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Good info regarding the tube diameter, offset, etc. of various manufacturers/models here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key...=CPyf0pkD#gid=0
The attached spreadsheet here:
http://www.vfrdiscussion.com/forum/index.p...em/#entry746461
And:
http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=5669.0
No mention of stem dimensions anywhere, though. And again, lining up the key switch will be pure voodoo until the uppers are each in hand.
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:icon_popcorn: If you guys get this down to a bolt-on affair with no welding or machining (except spacers), I will start ordering parts. I wish I had time to do this kind of research.
RC51 SP-1 and CBR929/954 look promising for a bolt-on triple. I have an SP-1 top bridge, once I find out if the stem length of either donor is the correct size, I'll order one up. Also have the option of pressing out the BB stem and installing it in an RC/CBR lower, if the diameter is the same. The major difference between the CBR and RC is the RC has a flat upper, while the CBR has a flat lower. The upper on the CBR is like an upside-down gull-wing, as the fork tubes are shorter. On the RC, the lower is like an upside-down gull-wing, as the ram air ducts pass between the fork tubes and steering head (so I'm told). The steering stops may be worthless on the RC, perhaps some minor advantage to having the longer grip length (distance between upper and lower triples) on the RC vs. CBR. I don't know why either upper or lower would interfere with the XX's acoutrements. Index of the key lock will be the next challenge.
Hobi is going to measure his 929's stem. We'll finally know the size of Hobi's shaft!
According to the info I have, the 1000RR is also a candidate... good eye Red... ummm... eye.
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Thought I'd ask before going to eBay. It *may* be a painless swap for the ZXXX, or it may have a new life as a doorstop if not.
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Some of the dudes on Fireblades.org are saying that the RC51 SP1 offset and tube diameter are identical to the 929/954. The CBR's fork tubes are shorter, thus the "dropped" upper bridge. If the RC51 SP1 upper bridge fits the ZX14's tube diameter and spacing (but not the offset, which required modification if I read that correctly), does it automatically follow that the entire RC and/or 929/954 triple would likely fit?
I found someone claiming that all flavors of the RC have a quarter inch shorter stem than the 929/954, though the 02 and up RC had a larger stem diameter (up top only, I think). That doesn't tell me anything about the overall length of either, though.
Thanks for the offset/trail primer for the simple man!
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Anybody have a 929 or 954 triple to measure? The bearing sizes are the same as the XX, and I believe the fork diameter is correct for the 14's forks. My concern is the stem length and the "drop" that the 929/954 upper bridge has.
There has been discussion on one of the RC forums that the 929 upper will swap with a SP1...
I am clueless on the remainder of the geometry variables and how it would affect the XX. A little help from the experts?
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OK, so... the entire RC51 triple/stem/bearings? Or just the upper with the remainder of the tree from the 14?
You'd need the whole RC51 setup. If you just have the upper, you're still stuck with a ZX stem that's too long and the wrong diameter for a stock bearing. Plus, the fork tube offset and angle are probably not the same between the 2.
I couldn't imagine that the offset could be the same, and I figured there was no way to make up for the oversize stem. Wishful thinking.
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Have I mentioned,,,,that I think an 2000 / 2001 Sp1 RCV 51 tree may be an exact replacement for the xx frame to zx14 fork using the same stock bearings and key? And all in all, may be cheaper new?
Maybe I did,,
If you did, I missed it. Not like it's a huge loss to backtrack some.
OK, so... the entire RC51 triple/stem/bearings? Or just the upper with the remainder of the tree from the 14?
If I can do some experimentation to move the swap forward some and simplify/perfect it after all the hard work and research y'all have done, I'm in!
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Okay, so I got to do some more assembly today.
First, to recap, I bought a set of 2008 (EDIT: 2007) ZX-10R wheels off eBay. Except for the bearings in the rear wheel being totally roached, they weren't bad - polished edges and all. I had the new take-off ZX-14 rotors that I bolted up, and I picked up a SuperSprox 45-tooth sprocket for a ZX-12 (the 10 uses a 525 chain, that ain't gonna work). New bearings and seals went in the rear wheel ( :icon_wave: thanks Scott!).
The fork installation has been straightforward so far, with the exception of the stuff others have mentioned - namely, finding a solution for the key and the stops - I haven't dealt with them yet. I was fortunate to source the correct tapered bearing for the bottom of the triple (not an All Balls!), and the three 5mm radial bearings sit atop the stem in their unholy arrangement. I may try RedEye's latest discovery, the RNA4906, as the aesthetics of the stacked bearings and random shims is... well, inelegant. Unless Alan gets his bearing cup adapter solution perfected...
I just couldn't get used to the 14's fender. Fortunately, a ZX-10R fender swap isn't uncommon. I found a dude on the ZX boards who makes an adapter bracket to mount a ZX-10R front fender to the ZX-14 forks. Yeah, I could have made something. Yeah, it was too expensive. But for $60 I didn't have to run back and forth between Home Depot, Lowe's, and Grainger to get the nuts/bolts and stuff - it probably would have been close to a day of work including the running around, so I bought 'em. My day is worth way more than $60.
When I started to look at fenders, I found that the 10R's fender is a 3-piece ordeal, and not cheap even used on eBay. So I talked myself into a CF fender from China. It arrived in a wooden framed box, and is a thing of beauty. Pictures don't do it justice. I hope the UV coating is good, because I will hate to see this thing turn yellow from the sun.
The back end is where I did things a little differently. I really wanted to avoid having to find a machinist/welder to massage the caliper bracket, and I found a guy offing a setup that swapped ZX-10R wheels onto a 14 - really cheap. The left side lines up properly with the stock ZX-10R spacer, but there are all kinds of games to be played to make the caliper bracket work. I ended up using a 10R caliper and bracket, and some aluminum spacers and longer bolts from the 10/14 conversion to get the caliper to "stand off" the bracket far enough so that the bracket properly engages the XX swingarm lug. Other than the caliper, the only things I used from the kit are the aluminum spacers and the extended bolts, so I may re-source the bolts and have my buddy make the spacers so I can sell the kit on the ZX board, sans the 10R caliper.
The spacers can be seen at the top, above the axle. As you can also see, the axle needs quite the spacer between the stock 10R right-side spacer and the relocated caliper bracket. What to do? Hmmm... seems the additional spacer needed is the same size as the stock left hand spacer (why I have an extra one of these, I don't know).
And I needed a teensy bit of take-up outboard of the caliper bracket, between the caliper and the swingarm. A left-side XX axle washer fits the bill. Yeah, it's a little fiddly to assemble, and I may have a welder tack the spacers together - or one to the caliper bracket - and have him lay a bead on the right side of the bracket and file it down so I don't need the washer on the outboard side.
I stole an XX brake line to go from the 10R caliper to the rear MC, as the 10R's line was a little short.
Man, the 190 looks like a lot of meat!
I still have things like routing front brake lines, balancing wheels/tires, messing about with the adjustable handlebar positioning, getting the front brake MC to play nice with the throttle/switchgear, bleeding brakes, mounting the front brake res, bolts for the front fender, adjusting the forks, figuring out a solution to the key switch (I cut the 14's "legs" on the upper triple to fit the XX key switch, just have to drill and tap) as well as the fork stops.
I hope to make some additional progress tomorrow, but as of now, it is a rolling chassis again!
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Grrr... I'm out of town that week, and OzarXX was the one I really wanted to go to this year.
I should make some progress this weekend, I'll take photos.
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sounds good Mike.
I stood downstairs last night just looking at my XX and thinking about redoing a few things. Probably will hold off right now and possibly start on it later this yr.
Hey Dave, rode the ZX14 Sunday. no way in hell would I pay $15k for that much ugliness. Yeah the motor is nice and pulls great cause it has too. Something that ugly doesn't sell fast without some help.
Am I the only one that thinks it looks way better than the older 14 (minus the stock exhaust, of course)? Still not as sexy as a Bird, but I kinda like that shade of green......and the flames.
Yep, you're the only one.
I think the black looks best, the side grillz don't show up as badly.
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Mike....here is a link to all the parts you need in one bundle to do what your trying to accomplish.
>> Transform your CBR1100XX here
Seriously though....sounds like a really fun project. Any pics?
I didn't even have to hover on the link to know what it was. Sorry, it isn't for me. I would spend a fortune getting it the way I want it, and the XX is *almost* there.
I did like the Concours I saw at the dealership the other day... shaft drive, nice integration on the bags, etc.
Maybe pics next week, but it isn't much to look at right now. It would give some people an alternative perspective of the already well-documented process I'm following though, so I'll be sure to do it.
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I'm close. The 190 rear tire came in yesterday, and I still have all the bearings to do on the ZX-10R wheels. I'm using a set of spacers to move the ZX-10R brake caliper hanger out to the swingarm, and will have to make up some axle spacers as well. I might need a longer rear brake line unless the XX line reaches and can be swapped in.
I ordered a ZX-10R CF fender and mounting brackets. I have to work on adjusting the bars correctly and drilling for the locator pins, and routing the front brake lines. I'm hoping to use the stock lines but it's going to be close. The front brake perch is going to be fiddly with the different orientation, I may look into the ZX-12 switchgear to see if it fits the brake master better.
Of course, I also have some rewiring/relocation of the HID, cruise, and some other stuff to do before it goes back together... Can't work on it until at least the weekend of the 28th, and I may take the Great Punkin' to RedNeXXt that weekend. *sigh* I really need to just retire, this job is interfering with my recreation way too much...
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I think there's an "extreme" version of the HH pad. I haven't tried it, but others have commented positively on it in other applications.
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3k on a HD? Isn't it time to trade in anyways?
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If that's what they're saying, I'm missing it. Clearly, they want to have a large, involved user base that will help craft any legislation or government meddling to their advantage. Since "to their advantage" is largely to the advantage of many of the people who participate in eBay and other forms of online commerce, it follows that they would have a willing base of folks to be their minions and leverage the power of the online community in matters of mutual interest.
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Gorgeous.
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No, that's not black.
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Thanks - I didn't get it this time around, there will be other opportunities.
Didn't think to look on the existing master. Doh!
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I'm wondering if anyone here has tried mounting it elsewhere on the bike for more air-flow, like on a Hayabusa.
While a Hayabusa is a little faster than the 'bird, I think mounting your R/R to another bike would be problematic - the resistance in all that additional wiring would likely overcome any gains the additional airflow of mounting it to the Suzuki would get you. It would be easier to have the Hayabusa follow you everywhere with a spare R/R.
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Bracket? Adapter? For what? Just order the parts you don't have from PartsFish or wherever.
I'm using the XX swingarm and the ZX10 rear caliper. [snip]
Is there a better solution? Never too late to change...
Ah. I used the ZX14 swingarm, so I didn't have that problem. I had other problems. Ha.
While y'all have pioneered almost all of it, I can guarantee I'll have "issues". Knowing me, it will be on the simplest of things.
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Who is the lucky bidder?
Hard Luggage wanted
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Don't know about any for sale used, but I went with the oem Honda bags from Davidsilverspares.com. They were $666 delivered a few years ago when the exchange rate was worse.
I love 'em - they look like they belong, super easy mount/dismount, and the empty racks aren't horribly unsightly with the bags off.