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Guess what..... Worked perfect!
The bike runs almost perfect now, pulls like crazy and there is no more bogging when I give it gas.
Bad news is that somehow something is fucked in the #3 carb now (not the one I did the diaphragm trick in, that was #1) and when I park it, it started streaming gas out of it. The float must be fucked up, or that float valve is either dislodged or fell off the float. These carbs are next to impossible to get on and off, like an hour and a half total for the R&R. I'm starting to hate this bike. Took it for another ride hoping to settle the float back into place and it smokes like crazy (black) now and burbles off idle. Still has it's MASSIVE 1994 600CC TOP END though.
Anyway, the plasti dip trick worked. Longevity will be another question, but for now it fixed the problem.
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This will be interesting.
My thoughts exactly.... 8)
I'm not even sure if the problem with the bike (revs fine at idle but loses power under load) is totally due to this diaphragm. Like I said I'll put Humpty Dumpty back together after work today and report.
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Plasti-Dip is the SHIT.
Looks like it might actually work, letting it set up till tomorrow before I reinstall. The tear is gone, the line in the close up pic is the edge of the last coat I put on.
I bought both the aerosol (spray can) and the liquid dip can. The aerosol was too thin and wouldn't work right. The dip worked perfect though, much thicker.
PS - the pics are that new Fuji Finepix S700 7mp camera I just got. It's the shit as well. Here's a closeup of an iridium plug., holding both the camera and the plug freehand.
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I'm sorry, I think you typed something but I'm being hypnotized by something else.........
Thanks for the link, no, those are different.
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Hey,
One of the slider diaphragms on the ninja 600 I'm working on has a tear in it. I would like to replace it, but I can only find the rubber diaphragm as an assembly with the entire slider, in the neighborhood of $60 to $90. I only need the rubber diaphragm. I have removed and replaced this torn one in question so I know it can be done. Anyone know where I can find someone who sells only the rubber and not the entire slider?
Thanks!
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I swear I will paint my 03 red one day.
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So I tried the center stand trick, nothing. Got really agressive and it would just keep dying. I then opened up the oil filler which is right above the clutch plates. They were bone dry. The oil light went out after every startup and never came back on so I never even checked the oil. Still can't find the dipstick or sightglass. Anyway, I added oil until the clutch started slinging it around then added another 1/2 qt on top of that. Let it run for a while and whala, first good whack and the clutch is working perfect now.
Just need to motivate my friend into finding and mailing me the title now so I can register it. There is still some serious hesitation off idle, but there is also some seriously bad gas and a seriously corrupted fuel filter in the system so I'm hoping for the best. Every time I start it, it gets better though. I think the seafoam is working it's way thru the carbs slowly but surely.
Its already rideable so I'm 100% ahead of the game.
Wait just a minute! Am I understanding that you spent all that time cleaning the carbs and your still running the 3 year old gas?
You obviously got the carbs re-assembled correctly, so you have to be smarter than that.
The tank was just about empty when I got the bike here. In a rush to get it started I just topped it off with new gas and seafoam, so there's about 20% old gas in there. However, my friend also said he attempted to start it 3 months ago and put new fuel in it at that time, so the old gas that was in there was 3 months old. Also, I just noticed the last time the bike had a valid registration was 2003 so it's been sitting for at least 4 years, not 3. Hooray.
Took a short ride about an hour ago to my parents house, with the bike hot. Runs decent. If I give it over 50% or so throttle it bogs down and won't accellerate, but if I keep it under that I can take it to redline.
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I already axed my pair system, posted a thread about it. Maybe that's why I had an easy time. I just pulled the plugs in that ninja 600 I am nursing and it was a lot tougher than the XX was.
Weights and measures called me today, Getty confirmed that they took 300-400 gallons of diesel fuel in the wrong tank. They will pay for any necessary repairs. I'm just going to hit them for a new set of plugs. Wife picked them up today, $16 each. I'm also going to try to get reimbursed for the trip to pick up the bike in the pickup truck (125 miles, gas and tolls) and the $12.50 of diesel I didn't need.
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So I tried the center stand trick, nothing. Got really agressive and it would just keep dying. I then opened up the oil filler which is right above the clutch plates. They were bone dry. The oil light went out after every startup and never came back on so I never even checked the oil. Still can't find the dipstick or sightglass. Anyway, I added oil until the clutch started slinging it around then added another 1/2 qt on top of that. Let it run for a while and whala, first good whack and the clutch is working perfect now.
Just need to motivate my friend into finding and mailing me the title now so I can register it. There is still some serious hesitation off idle, but there is also some seriously bad gas and a seriously corrupted fuel filter in the system so I'm hoping for the best. Every time I start it, it gets better though. I think the seafoam is working it's way thru the carbs slowly but surely.
Its already rideable so I'm 100% ahead of the game.
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Sand blasted plugs will not last as long as original Iridiums (assuming that's what you're running). The coating will have been worn off, and after a few 100 miles they'll be pretty much shot. You are MUCH better off putting new plugs in there. Keep your receipts, get reimbursed by the gas station.
I plan to. It was actually a lot easier to change the plugs than I thought it would have been, considering the horror stories I've read. What is it about the XX motor that eats up normal plugs so fast?
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It's fucked. I'll take it off your hands for a buck
I had this problem with my nighthawk. I was able to warm up the engine and once the oil was warm, pull in the clutch, rev the motor up and drop it into first gear, holding the rear brake. The combination of the warm oil and motor power broke it free.
The other option is to remove the clutch cover, and take apart the friction plates and pressure plates, clean them off, soak them in fresh oil, and reassemble them. I had to do that with my Katana 1100. It wasn't binding up, but wanted to walk in first gear.
So, right foot on the brake, left foot on the gear shifter.... I'll make sure my wife has the camera ready when I try that tomorrow. Thanks. (really, I'll try that). I'll have my finger over the kill switch!
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OK, so I gutted the carbs and cleaned them. Pilots were sealed completely shut, mains were ugly, bowls were coated in shit, etc, etc. One of the slider diaphragms had a small tear at the edge, and somehow the spring was dislodged, but I reassembled it with the diaphragm pulled a little tight so the cap clamped down on the tear.
Got it running. Still runs like crap, but it idles relatively smooth at 1200r, even better up near 1400, and has pretty good throttle response, especially when warmed up. Biiiiig difference from before I started working on it. Also starts right up from cold, no problem.
Which brings me to the clutch. Stuck. Very stuck. I rolled it down my driveway a few times, sitting on it in neutral, and banged it into gear with the clutch handle pulled in hoping it would break free but no luck. It's a cable clutch and it is actuating the clutch arm on the crankcase, so the problem is internal. Anything I might be able to add to the oil to work it loose without opening the engine (ATF, Seafoam, piss?)? I did manage a short ride around the neighboorhood here tonight by starting it, rolling it up to speed in neutral then clicking it into 1st and powershifting (and not stopping...). I took a ride with the engine dead cold since I didn't want to rouse the neighbors letting it warm up, ran decent and I think it will actually be kinda fun if I get the clutch working and let the engine warm up next time.
Any advice on the clutch???
Thanks!
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Another update, I was out front working on the 600 ninja and the cop that took the report yesterday pulled up. Asked how the bike was, I sadi it's better now. He said after he left my house they got another 13 complaints about the station's fuel on his shift. Also said that it was diesel and not kerosene. Not sure if that came from the weights and measures folks or from another source.
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Did the cop call you "boy" and threaten to make up charges if you didn't show him respect ?
No actually he was very friendly and professional, even for such a petty (relatively speaking) issue. Must be a NJ thing.....
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Thanks everyone for the suggestions and the advice.
Running again. I pulled the tank and airbox and yanked out a plug. It was covered in thick black sludge. I grounded the plug and cranked the motor, had a barely noticable intermittent orange spark. I stuck it in an air powered spark plug sandblaster my dad got me (probably not the best thing for the iridium but oh well) and it cleaned right up. Hooked it back to the ignition wire and had a nice bright consistent spark. Put it back in it's hole and did the same to the next 3. Prayed a little prayer and apologized to the poor bike for abusing it, and hit the start button. Let me tell you that idle never sounded so good. Had some smoke for a few minutes then it cleared up. Took a short but entusiastic ride and it's back to normal again.
After I got done cranking the crap out of it earlier I went to the gas station and asked the attendant for the owner. He was inside. I asked the attendant if they had any complaints about bad gas today, he just gave me a look and said "go talk to the owner".
Went in and explained what had happened. He said he had some other complaints already. Took my name address phone and had me write a statement about what happened, told me he will fax it to the main office and I can check on it after noon tomorrow.
Also put in a police report when I couldn't get it running, in case there was other damage and I would eventually have to go after the station, I wanted a paper trail. The officer came up to the garage and I told him what happened, and that I thought there was something in the gas. He said "Is it Kerosene?" I said "I think so, why?" He said he could smell it as he walked up the driveway (still had the open containers from draining the tank in the garage). I asked him to put that in the report which he did.
Note to self, if there's someone at the pump bitching about bad gas, go to another station, no matter how much you trust it. If this gas ended up in my new 25' Parker Pilothouse there would have been one hell of a bill, it's a 150 gallon tank and marine labor ain't cheap.
Thanks again.
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Here's an update, hauled it home, drained the tank, put in about a gallon and a half of brand new gas with a little injector cleaner / octane booster mixed in.
Won't start. Cranks, barely sputters and backfires out the pipes LOUDLY. Been cranking it on and off for about a half hour letting the starter cool. I also removed the pressure line from the fual rail and bled it into a container, no help.
My hands stink of kerosene from draining the tank so I am pretty sure that was what was in there, very familiar with the smell since I have 3 kerosene heaters in the garage.
Suggestions?
Yes, I should have took the guy's advice about the bad gas, but like I said this is a reputable station that is less than a mile from my house, I've put HUNDREDS of gallons of gas in the boat, not to mention about 30 gallons a week in the truck and however much in the bike.
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Pulled in to my local, regular gas station this morning 6:15am. There was a guy and his wife arguing with the attendant. As I pulled up to the pump the guy told me to not get the gas, there is water in it. Then he left. Attendant told me that they claimed that the gas was bad. I always fill up at this station so I figured what the hell.If the bike is hosed someone may suffer an untimely fatality. All I'm saying.
You might have to pull out a mirror and kill yourself. I'm surprised that you did not smell it when you were filling it up.
Interesting. Didn't smell anything at the time. I don't routinely check to see what is coming out of the pump labeled 87 octane, just assume it's 87 octane. Guess it's all my fault for not breaking out the test kit, the station owner is definitely not at fault for putting the wrong fuel in the tank. You're right. How narrow sighted of me.
It is gas mixed with diesel, still smells like gas.
Pump-sniffer.....
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Update:
Went out at 11:30 to try to get it started to take to a local station, won't start now. Dad is coming to pick me up from work at 4:00, should be fun getting the XX in the back of his 4X4 pickup. We have an improvised ramp made out of 9' 2X8's. I called weights and measures in ocean county, amazingly they took the report, and 10 minutes later a very concerned inspector called back saying he was at a station about 20 miles away and would be heading directly to the station I reported to investigate and take samples.
If the bike is hosed someone may suffer an untimely fatality. All I'm saying.
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Pulled in to my local, regular gas station this morning 6:15am. There was a guy and his wife arguing with the attendant. As I pulled up to the pump the guy told me to not get the gas, there is water in it. Then he left. Attendant told me that they claimed that the gas was bad. I always fill up at this station so I figured what the hell.
Fast forward about 10 miles, I start noticing a funny smell whenever I stop at a stop sign or light.
About another 30 miles I get into heavy traffic and the smell is stronger. I gassed the bike hard to make a pass and had to stop quickly. When I stopped, I noticed a huge plume of white smoke in the mirrors. The bike smokes heavily, white, whenever I goose the gas or get on it in gear. The smell from the exhaust is a cross between a kerosene heater and a freshly lit match (sulpher). When I got into the city here I stopped and opened the tank to smell the contents, it smells only slightly like gas and has a slightly sweet smell to it, kinda like antifreeze but not quite.
So, my best guess is that this station recently took a delivery of diesel (they don't sell kerosene) in the gas tank. Bike runs OK other than the smell, heavy smoke and occasional pinging at high throttle (I stopped giving it a lot of gas once I started hearing the pinging). Is there any risk of running this mix thru and filling back up at another station, or should I call in the transport to pick me up in the back of a pickup and cart it home where I can remove and drain the tank?
Help! I'm in phila with a 65 mile commute home.
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Was perusing this dealer's site and they have a 2002 XX for $5999. Looks clean. I've bought 2 new bikes from these guys, it's a good dealer. Ask for Steve Martin if you are going to look at it (not me, and not the actor).
Not sure if the link is going to work...
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I had the bike running off a brand new car battery I happened to have, when I disconnect the jumper cables it ran even worse and the gauges went all crazy. While I had it running I checked all the lights and gauges, seemed to work. Think the only issue will be the carbs, and possibly a frozen clutch. I could not move the bike in gear with the clutch pulled in, only in neutral. I'll cross that bridge when I get to it.
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Went to my friend-from-grade-school's son's first birthday party today. I ended up getting a present, he gave me his 1994 600cc ninja. He lowsided it at low speed about 3 years ago and it's been sitting ever since. He started to mess with it 3 months ago, it only runs with the choke on, and at 6000r at that, if you give it any throttle or turn off the choke it dies. I can finess the choke lever down to about a 2000 rpm idle, under that it gets real rough and dies.
It's in good cosmetic shape, just a couple barely noticable scratches from the lowside and a small dent in the tank where the clip-on smacked it.
Going to pull the carbs off whenever I get around to it, clean them out and hope for the best. Also the battery is stone dead, looks like it's even empty of electrolyte. I've ridden this bike back when it used to run good, it's no power monster but it's a ton of fun, weighs nothing and flicks around effortlessly. Plus should be great on gas for my 125 mile per day commute.
I know, ttiwwp, I'll get them up probably tomorrow. It's black with green and purple graphics and purple wheels. And the tires do not appear to be cupped.
Probably going to sand down the scratches and paint all the plastics "hot rod black" and strip the wheels to bare metal with a clearcoat over it if I get it running decent. -
Nice pink shirt there.....
Here's the end result. Thanks a million Mike, and everyone who responded.
Looks like hell around the battery right now, but not everything is connected yet.
This is a project box from Radio Shack to keep the relay and fuse bus in. Two holes in the undertail on either side of the ECU to hold it in place, fit perfectly. Unfortunately, my eye wasn't perfect, so now it's crooked. [shrug]
With the cowl on, it almost disappears. Added a angled screwdriver to the tool kit just in case I need to get to it on the road.
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My wife talked the guy down to $200. Talked it over with the brother in law, he thinks that my blower will be fine and I should jump on the 2 ton for that price. So I did. Said he has the tools to purge it if need be and everything we'll need to install it. Going to try to get at least the condenser installed Saturday. Said to only not buy it if it appears to be rusted up or otherwise obviously abused. The photos look good so we'll see.
Thanks for the advice.
free bike!!!!!!!! (PICS ADDED FINALLY)
in The Garage
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Starting to hate this bike and don't know if anyone gives a fuck about my progress, but here goes.
I made a guess based on some reading that the bogging I was getting was due to the hole in the slider diaphragm. So I fixed it with plasti dip. See here:
http://www.cbr1100xx.org/forums/index.php?...mp;#entry555769
Anyway, it pulls like any 1994 600cc monster should now. Bogging completely gone and has lots of power. However after I brought it home from trouncing on it, it left a puddle of gas. Looked and it's coming from the venturi of carb 3, no not the carb I plasti-dipped that was carb 1.... So the float in carb 3 is fucked up or the rubber tipped valve hanging from the float is fucked up, regardless I need to spend another hour and a half wrestling with these damn carbs to get them off and back on. Hooray.
Don't know what happened, it wasn't leaking fuel for the last few days, just started once I finally got to rip on it a little bit. Figures.
Gotta remember it was free and it will be a nice beater once I get it going. Yeah, that's it.......