anything for you sweetycake

I'm amazed at you're skills.

I would have put dynamite in it and called it dead...

But I love to read these treads of rebuilding and problem solved topics.
Picking up some tips and hints on how to do things.

I a glad somebody is looking, sometimes I feel like I am the only one. I am really posting for Brent to see how it is going, and have a place to keep up with what has been done.
Hope that is takes the mystery from doing it and maybe somebody else will see it is not that hard. Mostly just part changing. Bolt out,,,,bolt in.
Little reading for the novice, and a good habit to have even for the experienced.


Not even sure that Brent or Redcam is even in the house.

I'm watching, too, man! Just don't have much to post about it... learnin'...

Mike

I'm fascinated. The only reason I change my own oil once a year is that it takes longer to go to the shop.

Any estimates of what has been spent so far in parts and hours of your time?

Just a round number guess would be fine.

No kidding, I just read and keep saying to myself "DAMN"

glad he knows what he is doing. Then I get pictures and I'm amazed.

In a lot of ways, that is a good thing, Mike. No news is good news, right? If the samrt guys here that know what I am doing have nothing to add there is only two thing to think, I chose the good one.

Well I am running a sheet and keeping a running total, but, I am not too eager to hang someones laundry in public. I do have a lot of time in it, but only half or so in work.

But, just to give you the major things:
Getting it here turned out to be a bitch, and maybe a day of time,,,10 hours. I had gotten a huge break from Yellow freight, 75% off in a promotion phone call just before we were to send it. Great, lets set it up from his end with my info and company info. I had just shipped the same weight from the same area for 200. That make this cheap, right. More than 2 dozen phone calls and it still was more and was going on more than a month after delivery.

Tear down clean and inspect. Bout a day.

order parts another day.

deliver parts to machine shop another day. Why, well got to count and bag and box and load and deliver and unbox unbag and recount and spec work.( I normally unbag and count everything, but did not the new parts so they would not get lost, was a mistake) I don't do things like normal. My clearances and requirements are from 40 years of building race only engines and have a particullar way I want it done. Only a few will do it my way. And most don't have the tools that I require.

Three weeks later he had the tools to do the work, but, took another three weeks to get it done. Dozen calls.

Bore job done so go and get the block. 1/2 day

check bore to pistons and clearance and start filing and fitting rings to the bore is a good day work....wasted , see above, rings were the wrong set sent.

Valve job done, go and pickup, and start the port work. Takes two days to get it like I wanted. Clean and get ready to assemble.

See above. ( spend a good day looking for a valve spring height guage and spring pressure gauge to use on these heads. There aint one. no one make one and no one knows what to do about it. Now ain't that a kick in the nuts.) Tomek posted a cool tool to assemble valves on these motors, and was going to get it, but only good for 40 lb and lower. these are 60 seat presure. I could not find a spring compresor for a motocycle engine in all of this area.

So I make one. Another day down.

got another day in the rods and piston problem with assembly and machine work and hand work.

So what is that?

No news is good news, but I'm not an engine builder, for sure... I can do head gaskets and rings, and pistons, and valves, and all that junk... If I can take it apart, I can put it back together... I'm not, however, experienced at building race engines; especially motorcycle engines (transmissions, really... engines are simple... Transmissions are more complex, or I just don't have as much / enough experience with them)...

Mike

We're all watching Stan....just most of us don't say much when we have nothing to offer except an occasional "dayum" or "holy shit."

wow im in complete awe, excellent work stan! I cant wait to get her back together!

I am hoping tomorrow to have the rings and spring seat. we will see.

It's good to see someone who counts 10 hours as a day. In your days I got 11 1/2.

For government work, I'd call that 11.5 * 10 / 8 = 15 days.

Been watching...seems you were the right person to send it to..He needed someone who knows what their doing with this thing...I do motors as well,and run into the same type of problems you are all the time.Part of the game i guess...anyway nice job!...

Wut ? I don`t see correlation whatsoever,,,,,,,,,but perhaps you would have to hire Schwarzenegger or N1k for those stiff springs,

BTW ,those intake ports are friking HUGE,good think it is a turbo motor.

When I called to order they said it would not work on spring pressures over 40. Something about the snap function of it. Yes the pressures are higher and really to much for hand. Would have really liked to have tried it.
All I did to the ports was match the seats to the ports as they were smaller by 1/8 inch all the way around, and clean the casting slag out. The bowl is not enlarged. I do change the width of the transition, but nothing to the top and bottom there, other than smooth the surface. Now the entrance I do work a lot.

He wants it to flow, and it will a lot better. It was nasty, but the seats were stunning. I tried to get some pictures of the seats brfore, and they are in the photobucket account, but were not lighted well enough.

Knowledge, sticktoitiveness, dedication for perfection, creative thinking, and art.....

I know nothing....but I do know you and Dean are amazing.

Just a great thread to watch develop.

Stock ports are fugly and actually too large in stock,normally aspirated form,I mean stock cam,etc.I don`t remember exact numbers but calculated velocity was below 300ft/sec.That is late 80`s, early 90`s way of thinking.I`ve made them smaller,pulls like tractor now.

If you wanna try that goofy tool PM me your shipping address and I`ll Priority Mail it on Monday.I won`t need it till winter .

pm sent tomek thanks, would love to try.

I seem to remember R1000 (I think) did something similar when he ported his XX heads

I really envy you man,really wish i have the intelligence and time and place to do wat you are doing.For now,i can juz simply watch and wait for the finale.Gd job Stan.

sometimes I wonder as I said, if it is good for you guys. I want to really get into the whole thing and make something of it more than it is. But when I see that I am the only one posting it seams like it is self gratifying. I know Brent is looking sometimes, but, not sure others. There are some things that I would do to show how easy it is for someone to do if they were not so worried that they could not get through it. It is all just confidence, and seeing someone do it. Once.

Fear is ignorance, knowledge overcomes it.

I don't want to come off like I am a know it all, or think I am. I really am not afraid is all. Other thing scares me though. Like what is thought about me, unlike others.

But there are some things about this project that really needs to be shown. If I can I will. Might get to be a bit much, but it won't hurt for long....

And so it begins....

Stan,
If I don't think I can add value, I won't post on a mechanical thread.

That being said, Tim, Rich, Dale, and others have done some fantastic posts on repairs. I have done work that I would not have considered because of those post.

Your work on the quad and these engines is just amazing. Keep posting. I may never build a engine myself, but I do enjoy seeing someone else do it.

Don't think that a quiet thread isn't a appreciated thread.

Just look at the view count - I keep a close eye on this thread cos it set me right on a whole bunch of issues - was thinking of getting my head flowed but decided thats probably not a great idea if the cams dont get degreed along with other changes like rejetting/full 4-1 system and some serious setup on a dyno...

Stock in my case might be optimal.

Its still appreciated tho - the benefit of your input already saved me a heap of pain and cash.

Stan, I appreciate what you are doing and would enjoy seeing as many pics with explanations as you care to post...Keep up the good work...Hank

Motor Talk.

I'm watching just like the rest. I figure the engine rebuild stuff is inevitable with forced induction. It's nice to see someone that knows more about it go through it, though. It might cut the number of times I have to ask you stupid questions in the future.

2200 views and counting, one of the most frequented threads here in the garage ever. Keep it up, Stan, the rest of us will continue to watch, just a bit awestruck.

+1

+1

You suck Stan.



Just kidding of course. I've been keeping up and have enjoyed the thread. Seeing you go through this gives me the courage to tackle the inevitable CCT repair when it becomes necessary. I know that there are good guys (and gals, I guess) on this thread that are willing to lend an ear and offer good advice when needed.

Looking forward to seeiing you in October.

Miss you too. LOL.

I've enjoyed reading this thread alot. I have thought of putting a turbo on my bike and the rebuilding of the top end would come as part of it. Lots of good info in the thread. Some people are not into the wrench turning and it's threads like this that are inspiring to them,,, wrench on!

Much enjoyed! Can't wait to see how it runs.

photos
link reputed, Many more than what gets putted here just for info.
Been lapping the valves and checking for seal with vacuum, and shimming the valves clearance. Have not gotten the rings yet,( new ones), but did get the spring seat.
Got Tomek's valve tool today too. Can't wait to try it.
The shim set has three of each. which is a bummer, cause we set all the valves the same. It will be ok I think.








look at how much the seats stick out in the inlets





and look at how much shit is in the ports



all gone now and really smooth, but I don't like polished

Rough casting! Is that the infamous PAIR outlet (where air comes into the exhaust stream) on one of the exhaust valves?

one of them yes, in that angle it will pull a vacuum as the gas goes by. I have put my pair system back and connected to the valve cover to pull a vacuum on my crankcase. I works and good, and with my air-box sealed ram-air really does work good. I recommend it. highly!!!

So did you eliminate the PAIR valve and just Tee the hoses to the crankcase breather?

no just tied the pair caps together and then to the breather tube that goes into the valve cover. The reeds in the pair prevent exhaust pressure from backing into the crankcase until velocity in the exhaust pulls vacuum on the pair ports shown. I plugged all the holes in the aircleaner including the holes that vent water sucked into the inlets with a check valve that closes when pressure is present in the box. That way it will drain the water when you slow down.

hope that is clear, kinda hard to explain. where is that picture???

I told you fricking people to do PAIR-crankcase vent mode two years ago but as a dumb immigrant I can get no respect here. .

http://www.cbr1100xx.org/forums/index.php?...526&hl=pair

Value of reducing/creating vacum in the crankcase has been known since 5 B.C.

You told me, and it was not the only thing I forgot that night,,,thank god. Still need to download the MAP readings from my LM1, also

Still had not gotten the rings Monday, so called again, they overnighted some and got them Wed. Thursday, got the first set...13 days ppost. From California.

Started filling the new rings and fitting...





















had a bearing seize from shit, but cleaned up...








rebuilding the oil pump, was pretty scared up, but the clearances are fine, polished out the scratches as good as I could.

Going good so far...going to clay the valve piston clearances, and decide on compression ratio..What do you think Brent?

so nobody noticed the oil hole was wrong in the rod,,,

Oil pump ready to assemble




installed





This was reeally a bad thing, they had an aluminum plug made to tap off the pressure oil for the turbo, only problem is that aluminim threads in a fine thread is a problem waiting to happen. So, since I can't stand having a motor dump oil under the only tire putting down 5oo hp, I built a steel plug, not really. I Drilled a stock plug so the allen was still useable. Much better.










Still have to do some ss fittings to get him back to what he had, but, I really think that he should add a oil accumilator to the line, so I am going to add a tee instead of an ell, maybe he will.

I'm sure this is probably a dumb question, but aren't those little arrows on the top of the pistons supposed to be pointing towards the front of the motor?

You might want to take a closer look, ie blow them up, Jon, the marks on the pistons I put on there, so I would know. I for intake E for exhaust, which cylinder I want them to be in. The pistons came with no marks. The only way to know is that the exhaust valve cutout is a little closer to the edge of the piston. Go figure, I would have never thought that. Yes I had to ask.

I can't believe I am just now seeing this thread.

Amazing work Stan.

You know you were mentioning that the piston rods did not have the holes that allowed oil to spray on the bottom of the pistons like the stock ones do. The Carrillo rods in my XX are the same, no holes.

Well they can be

I see it now. The arrow I was refering to is actually the number 4 that you stamped on it.
So, does it actually matter which way new pistons go in? The valve pockets looked the same on both sides to me.