Aurora
Oct 2 2006, 03:50 AM
What are you running and how many miles do you get out of them?
Warchild
Oct 2 2006, 04:26 AM
After installing the Wilbers shock (increased ride hight by 15mm), I found that the turn-in on my beloved Avons was *so* fast, the bike actually felt a little twichy in some situations - high winds seemed to move the bike around a lot more, and high-speed stability didn't seem quite so planted.
So I've gone back to the Pilot Roads since they don't have the narrow, triangular profile the Avons do.
With the Avons, I'd be doing good to see 6500-7000 miles out of the rear.
The Pilot Roads are a bit better for me, though not a whole lot: I average about 7500-8000 miles out of the rear.
Now... if I'm riding in a competitive LD rally, then all bets are off.... this Pilot Road below was
brand new at the start of a 48-hour event I did back in 2003:
Para045
Oct 2 2006, 07:18 AM
QUOTE(Warchild @ Oct 2 2006, 12:26 PM)

After installing the Wilbers shock (increased ride hight by 15mm), I found that the turn-in on my beloved Avons was *so* fast, the bike actually felt a little twichy in some situations - high winds seemed to move the bike around a lot more, and high-speed stability didn't seem quite so planted.
So I've gone back to the Pilot Roads since they don't have the narrow, triangular profile the Avons do.
With the Avons, I'd be doing good to see 6500-7000 miles out of the rear.
The Pilot Roads are a bit better for me, though not a whole lot: I average about 7500-8000 miles out of the rear.
Now... if I'm riding in a competitive LD rally, then all bets are off.... this Pilot Road below was
brand new at the start of a 48-hour event I did back in 2003:

Looks like a few too many burnouts
bartonmd
Oct 2 2006, 11:35 AM
QUOTE(Para045 @ Oct 2 2006, 03:18 AM)

QUOTE(Warchild @ Oct 2 2006, 12:26 PM)

After installing the Wilbers shock (increased ride hight by 15mm), I found that the turn-in on my beloved Avons was *so* fast, the bike actually felt a little twichy in some situations - high winds seemed to move the bike around a lot more, and high-speed stability didn't seem quite so planted.
So I've gone back to the Pilot Roads since they don't have the narrow, triangular profile the Avons do.
With the Avons, I'd be doing good to see 6500-7000 miles out of the rear.
The Pilot Roads are a bit better for me, though not a whole lot: I average about 7500-8000 miles out of the rear.
Now... if I'm riding in a competitive LD rally, then all bets are off.... this Pilot Road below was
brand new at the start of a 48-hour event I did back in 2003:

Looks like a few too many burnouts

More like a 3000 miles of HIGH speed riding through the desert...
Mike
redxxrdr
Oct 2 2006, 12:53 PM
D208 gave me 4000 miles if I was VERY Good. I have 5800 on a Pilot Road combination with lots of tread in the middle. Will probably try a Sport front, Road rear combo next.
I am pleased with the handling of the Roads. I actually like them better than the D208.
Canadian Bird
Oct 2 2006, 12:55 PM
20 or so thousand kms per year, new tires every year, Bridgestone 020's for touring, no burnouts, high jinks, wheelies. '02, 100,700 kms. However hope to rebuild the suspension this winter and would like to try a different tire. Penske rear shock and longer front springs.
DaveK
Oct 2 2006, 01:02 PM
ST1300 = 12,000 miles or more.
Harley = 20,000
Aurora
Oct 2 2006, 01:29 PM
QUOTE(DBLXX @ Oct 2 2006, 06:02 AM)

ST1300 = 12,000 miles or more.
Harley = 20,000
Metzler ME880 worked the best on my FLHTCI. I would get 12,000 miles with some tread left on the front. Most of the riding was high speed (75-80 mph for a HD) long distance.
Aurora
Oct 2 2006, 01:36 PM
QUOTE(Warchild @ Oct 1 2006, 09:26 PM)

After installing the Wilbers shock (increased ride hight by 15mm), I found that the turn-in on my beloved Avons was *so* fast, the bike actually felt a little twichy in some situations - high winds seemed to move the bike around a lot more, and high-speed stability didn't seem quite so planted.
So I've gone back to the Pilot Roads since they don't have the narrow, triangular profile the Avons do.
With the Avons, I'd be doing good to see 6500-7000 miles out of the rear.
The Pilot Roads are a bit better for me, though not a whole lot: I average about 7500-8000 miles out of the rear.
Now... if I'm riding in a competitive LD rally, then all bets are off.... this Pilot Road below was
brand new at the start of a 48-hour event I did back in 2003:

Warchild,
Have you ever tried running the Pilot Power on the Front and Pilot Road on the rear? I was told the softer Pilot Power needs to be replaced when the rear Pilot Road needs replacing. Thus better handling without wasting remaining tread on the front tire if you were to run both Pilot Roads on the front. Running the Power/Road combo makes you replace both tires at the same time.
Then again having a little extra thread on the front my provide some insurance in preventing any failures of the front tire. This is if you were running Pilot Roads on front and rear.
What do you think?
beondwacko
Oct 2 2006, 01:38 PM
5,500 +/- with a pilot road rear. Mixed riding and about 65 passed down the drag strip. A couple of little burnouts here and there but not much.
slowrideCX
Oct 2 2006, 02:11 PM
QUOTE(beondwacko @ Oct 2 2006, 09:38 AM)

5,500 +/- with a pilot road rear. Mixed riding and about 65 passed down the drag strip. A couple of little burnouts here and there but not much.
I have a pilot road with about 4000 miles front and rear mixed riding no burn outs and still have lots of treads Left
XXTi
Oct 2 2006, 02:29 PM
I've been getting about 5000 miles out of a rear Avon and about twice that from a front. I've been thinking about Pilot Powers for the next set for a little added grip.
Squareman357
Oct 2 2006, 02:37 PM
I routinely got 10K miles out of my Avons, but I probably wasn't as aggressive as some. I'd wick it up every now and then, but was pretty conservative.
Keith
Oct 2 2006, 03:11 PM
I usually run Pilot Roads and get between 5000 and 6000 miles. I'm running
a set of Diablo Stradas now and am about 2000 miles into them; the wear
looks like it will be about the same.
beondwacko
Oct 2 2006, 05:25 PM
QUOTE(slowrideCX @ Oct 2 2006, 10:11 AM)

QUOTE(beondwacko @ Oct 2 2006, 09:38 AM)

5,500 +/- with a pilot road rear. Mixed riding and about 65 passed down the drag strip. A couple of little burnouts here and there but not much.
I have a pilot road with about 4000 miles front and rear mixed riding no burn outs and still have lots of treads Left
But at least in NJ, the roads make turns. Here in S.E. Florida, I'm not that lucky. If I were still up in NY, I'd venture to say if I were a little more conservative, and no drag racing I'd get close to 7K miles out of the rear tire.
bhanxx
Oct 2 2006, 06:38 PM
QUOTE(Warchild @ Oct 1 2006, 11:26 PM)

After installing the Wilbers shock (increased ride hight by 15mm), I found that the turn-in on my beloved Avons was *so* fast, the bike actually felt a little twichy in some situations - high winds seemed to move the bike around a lot more, and high-speed stability didn't seem quite so planted.
So I've gone back to the Pilot Roads since they don't have the narrow, triangular profile the Avons do.
With the Avons, I'd be doing good to see 6500-7000 miles out of the rear.
The Pilot Roads are a bit better for me, though not a whole lot: I average about 7500-8000 miles out of the rear.
Now... if I'm riding in a competitive LD rally, then all bets are off.... this Pilot Road below was
brand new at the start of a 48-hour event I did back in 2003:

Dale u chickenshit, u had more than enuf tread to bump yer average at least another +5 mph...
Dion
Oct 2 2006, 08:12 PM
Any where from 4 to 8 days.
TechnoGecko
Oct 2 2006, 10:04 PM
QUOTE(DBLXX @ Oct 2 2006, 06:02 AM)

Harley = 20,000
.. tow truck miles dont count Dave!
DaveK
Oct 2 2006, 11:39 PM
Sure they do !!!
Aurora
Oct 3 2006, 03:29 AM
QUOTE(DBLXX @ Oct 2 2006, 06:02 AM)
Harley = $20,000
That is the down payment. Now he must buy the accesories.
Pete in PA
Oct 3 2006, 11:41 AM
These are my rear tire mileages:
Current, Pirelli Strada 4k miles and bald.
Contiforce 3800 miles to cord.
B'stone 57 4650 miles till cord. (thought Id try it once more for mileage)
Conti. Road Attack 4438 miles till cord.
B'stone 020 (FJR specific tire) 4400 miles to bald.
Metzeler Z6 4174 miles to cord. ( This tells me it will be identical in mileage to the Pirelli Strada)
I ride hard, but not THAT hard.
Dotetcher
Oct 3 2006, 12:58 PM
Somewhere between 5000 & 6000 on Metzler Z6's. I'm trying a different tire this time around and like the combination so far. Michelin Pilot Power front and Road rear. I've put a couple of thousand miles on them and am very happy with their performance.
Aurora
Oct 3 2006, 03:52 PM
QUOTE(Dotetcher @ Oct 3 2006, 05:58 AM)

Somewhere between 5000 & 6000 on Metzler Z6's. I'm trying a different tire this time around and like the combination so far. Michelin Pilot Power front and Road rear. I've put a couple of thousand miles on them and am very happy with their performance.
Is the tread wear even between the front and rear tire? Or is the front wearing faster (being a soft compound) than the rear? Any handling issue running the two different tires? How do the feel in the rain?
exskibum
Oct 3 2006, 04:15 PM
I've gotten about 4000 miles out of Michelin Pilot Powers and Pilot Sports on the rear of an XX. 6000 to 8000 out of the fronts.
bartonmd
Oct 3 2006, 04:32 PM
QUOTE(Duce & A Half @ Oct 3 2006, 11:52 AM)

QUOTE(Dotetcher @ Oct 3 2006, 05:58 AM)

Somewhere between 5000 & 6000 on Metzler Z6's. I'm trying a different tire this time around and like the combination so far. Michelin Pilot Power front and Road rear. I've put a couple of thousand miles on them and am very happy with their performance.
Is the tread wear even between the front and rear tire? Or is the front wearing faster (being a soft compound) than the rear? Any handling issue running the two different tires? How do the feel in the rain?

OH MY GOD DUDE! For a final time... the front and rear wear out about the same time! and he wouldn't know at 2000 miles anyway! JUST BUY THEM ALREADY!!
Mike
loingrader
Oct 3 2006, 06:33 PM
avon's rule. 11000+ miles out of the rear and more out of the front. i may go weeks before seeing a turn, but my riding is all 85+ mph commutes, and i don't waste any time getting up to speed either.
ran metzlers on my fjr (cause it came with them) and i didn't like them. wore poorly, and it was like 100 miles between having wear left, to being on the wear bars to showing cords. scary. the avons wear much longer, but i've never had any issues with losing traction and they are awesome in the rain.
bridgestone front (as well as metzlers) wear down like a triangle on the front tire because the sides are softer than the center of the tread. makes for weird turn characteristics. avons always wear evenly on the front tire.
just my $0.02
-bret
RC Randy
Oct 3 2006, 11:21 PM
I'm getting some good mileage out of the Avons also. Currently have 7000 on a set, and don't think I'll have any trouble getting 10,000 out of the rear. I live in the flatlands (Kansas), and average around 80mph on the highway. This is without a burnout or hammering it at every stoplight.
Since I don't have many curves to carve, I can't compare to the Dunlops I had before, but I will probably be getting another set of Avons this winter.
TX1100F
Oct 4 2006, 02:08 AM
Still on the OEM Bridgestone BT57 Battlax front and rear. 7800 miles so far. After reading opinions on tires here and other forums, I will either stick with Bridgestone or go Michelin.
Edward
Oct 4 2006, 04:37 AM
208GPs, about 2-3K
Stinger_916
Oct 4 2006, 01:37 PM
D208's ( which by the way Dunlop does not make anymore) I was getting 7k out of the rear and 13k out of the front. I am thinking about switching to the pilots next year after the D208 wear out
lew69442
Oct 4 2006, 02:20 PM
Dunlop D 208 rears consistently around 3K (spent tire) and the fronts again consistently around 3K as well but only due to scalloping. Have since moved to Pilot powers front and back and as a result to the way they adhere to the road I don’t even care about the mileage that I obtain from them as they work so well at any temperature on just about any road condition.
Dotetcher
Oct 4 2006, 06:00 PM
QUOTE(Duce & A Half @ Oct 3 2006, 08:52 AM)

QUOTE(Dotetcher @ Oct 3 2006, 05:58 AM)

Somewhere between 5000 & 6000 on Metzler Z6's. I'm trying a different tire this time around and like the combination so far. Michelin Pilot Power front and Road rear. I've put a couple of thousand miles on them and am very happy with their performance.
Is the tread wear even between the front and rear tire? Or is the front wearing faster (being a soft compound) than the rear? Any handling issue running the two different tires? How do the feel in the rain?

Like has been mentioned in a later post, too early to tell on the issue of wear. Riding in the rain seems very predictable, but I have a tendency to ride very conservative in the rain. Easy in the corners, 70 or 80 mph in the straights. Just like your above average Harley rider on a sunny day.
WILLSXX
Oct 4 2006, 07:18 PM
8.5K out of my PR rear.
Another 1K out of the front.
Best mileage tire for me so far.
Goodbye Bridgestone, Dunlop, and Metzler's.
Haven't Tried the Avon, Pirelli, or Conti's yet.
QUOTE(Pete in PA @ Oct 3 2006, 04:41 AM)

These are my rear tire mileages:
Current, Pirelli Strada 4k miles and bald.
Contiforce 3800 miles to cord.
B'stone 57 4650 miles till cord. (thought Id try it once more for mileage)
Conti. Road Attack 4438 miles till cord.
B'stone 020 (FJR specific tire) 4400 miles to bald.
Metzeler Z6 4174 miles to cord. ( This tells me it will be identical in mileage to the Pirelli Strada)
I ride hard, but not THAT hard.
Quit avoiding the Pilot Roads and give us a report.
Dano
Oct 4 2006, 08:26 PM
I've been running Power up front and Road in the rear. 7+K miles on the rear and it's about change time. Front may have 2k left.
I just ordered a set of Roads front and rear this time as I lost the front wheel on a wet tar-snake awhile back and have been blaming it on the Pilot Power. (couldn't have been that I was speeding, leaned over and raining).
Which is a better wet tire Power or Road? Michelin site gives both a 5 rating, as excellent. Is one still better then the other wet??
XXSIVSPD
Oct 4 2006, 08:43 PM
I remember reading somewhere that the road diplaces much more water that the power. I don't remember the stats but it was substantially more.
Looking at the tread patterns it would make sense that the roads could channel water more effectively.
In standing water I would bet the road is much better.
bartonmd
Oct 4 2006, 08:51 PM
QUOTE(Dano @ Oct 4 2006, 04:26 PM)

I've been running Power up front and Road in the rear. 7+K miles on the rear and it's about change time. Front may have 2k left.
I just ordered a set of Roads front and rear this time as I lost the front wheel on a wet tar-snake awhile back and have been blaming it on the Pilot Power. (couldn't have been that I was speeding, leaned over and raining).
Which is a better wet tire Power or Road? Michelin site gives both a 5 rating, as excellent. Is one still better then the other wet??
Having had both, I've found the powers to be better in the rain... I too have lost the front end on tar snakes, leaned over in the rain, but it's happened with both tires... tar snakes are slick as ice around here (it's not so bad where they put sand in them, but they don't do that much around here)... the powers do better on concrete in the rain though, for sure, which is the only other time I've lost the front end on the Roads... it has always come back though with both tires...
Mike
Dano
Oct 4 2006, 11:27 PM
The Michelin site says the Roads have better comfort. What does that mean? Softer sidewall?
Not surprised to see they say Powers gip better dry, same wet, with less durability then the Roads.
They also say the Powers are more expensive. SWMOTOTIRES sell the Powers for $2 less a set.
I guess if you don't mind @ 20% less mileage the Powers are a better choice wet or dry. (so why did I just buy a set of Roads).
zypp
Oct 5 2006, 12:25 AM
QUOTE(DBLXX @ Oct 2 2006, 03:02 AM)

ST1300 = 12,000 miles or more.
Harley = 20,000
it's amazing the mileage you can get when you have the bike on a trailer
lois
Oct 5 2006, 05:37 AM
Metzler M-1 3k rear
6k frnt
Love the stickum of the M-1 Rear, but, can burn up 2 of them a summer. Now going with the Z6 rear/ M-1 Front, so far the Z6 rear has been working well, no concerns, hoping to get at least 4k out of it....time will tell
Edit> I got 11500k (7200miles) out of my oem Macadam 90 Rear, that came on my 01.
bartonmd
Oct 5 2006, 11:38 AM
QUOTE(Dano @ Oct 4 2006, 07:27 PM)

The Michelin site says the Roads have better comfort. What does that mean? Softer sidewall?
Not surprised to see they say Powers gip better dry, same wet, with less durability then the Roads.
They also say the Powers are more expensive. SWMOTOTIRES sell the Powers for $2 less a set.
I guess if you don't mind @ 20% less mileage the Powers are a better choice wet or dry. (so why did I just buy a set of Roads).

I don't notice a difference in comfort between roads and powers... if anything, the powers have a slightly softer carcas, so they soak up bumbs better...
Mike
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