2002 WILL NOT START CAN SMELL FUEL
SEAMS THERE IS NO SPARK THIS HAPPENED TWO WEEKS AGO ALSO, RAN FINE FOR A WEEK THAN HAPPENED AGAIN

ANY IDEAS

IT TURNS OVER FINE I HAVE NOT CHECK FOR FI CODES YET

I HAS FUEL I CAN HEAR THE PUMP KICK ON THAN STOP

MAYBE WATER IN THE GAS?

maybe the caps lock button is also stuck on your bike and making it not start



j/k

Have you had the tank off lately.. check your lines for kinks or anything

+1
Sounds like you iether Kinked, or put the vacuum lead on the wrong spot (don't ask me how I know that )

sorry about the cap locks i did the air cleaner but i has run after that almost a tank of fuel

all i did was to prop up the tank nothing was removed i can smell fuel when it is cranking over

You will smell alot of fuel if you crank it and the vacuum line is kinked or plugged back on the wrong spot ... the little vacuum line goes on the little picket on the side facing the front of the bike .... it is common for people to put it on the little nub on the bottom of the petcock.

CHeck for spark first. Do you have a timing light? The type with the inductive clamp on pick up that goes onto a spark plug wire?
Pull one side of the fairings off(lower) and clip the timing light onto any spark plug wire you can reach. Make sure the battery is charged and crank it over. ALways check spark first when you have a no run condition. Then go from there.

i will check for spark i might need to pull a plug to do this

No need to pull a plug ... just pull a wire if need be .. or use one of those amp/volt meters that just clamp around a wire if you don't have a timing gun

don't have either

His bike doesn't have a petcock.

+1 on the petcock plumbing. There is a "nipple" on the petcock under the tank that isn't actually a nipple, if you hook your vacum line up to it bikey no worky. It's a very common mistake. Do a search in Garage section. There is a recent thread explaining it with pics and diagrams.

His bike is an FI model guys. The vacuum operated petcock is only on the carb'ed models.

Petcock on an FI bike??? . Pretty sure that problem was only on the carbed birds.

Anyways, what is your FI light doing? Blinking or staying On?

fi light stays on i will try jumping the terminals to get a error code (if there is one)

there has not been one yet.

Page 5-12 in the manual says...

Stays Lit (bike no starty):

Open or short circuit at the input power line of the ECM

Faulty engine stop relay

Faulty engine stop switch

Faulty ignition switch

Faulty bank angle senseo

Faulty ECM

Blow main fuse B (30A)

Blown engine stop fuse (10A)

Blown fuel pump fuse (30A)

Open circuit in engine stop switch ground wire.

Engine stop switch in Off position.


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Personally, I would start with the fuses and kill switch.

my 2 cents.

but if it was the kill swiitch would it still crank over?

Yep.

Kill Switch

I have had a few of them go faulty on me over the years..

What you need to do is follow the loom down from the switch assembly and unplug it from the main loom..
Turn the ignition on, and using a big wrench, short across the two BIG terminals on the starter solenoid ( it will spark as it will draw a lot of current, but it will make the starter fire up )

If she fires you know the problem is in the kill switch for sure..



i have these directions from another forumn so i will try the kill switch thing tonight and look at the fuses

i have been told by a number of fellow bird riders that the killl switch should be the first thing i try.

Just verified the kill switch on my 01. Kill switch in kill position, turn on ignition and the lights come on including FI. No pump sound. Bike will not turn over. Leave ignition on and switch kill to run, pump will run and FI light should turn off. I THINK that these bikes have a fuel pressure regulator which keeps a constant pressure on the injectors. If this fails, too much pressure will keep the injectors from opening. I have had this fail on my truck.
I suggest lifting the tank again and looking for something knocked loose. A wire or line. If you have another spark plug you could remove one wire, and attach the plug to it. Ground it well, ( a clamp or locking pliers should do). Some ignitions do not do well with a unloaded output, so make sure the plug is in the circuit. If you see spark, then it is air or gas. DO NOT remove a plug from a cylinder and try to ground that plug. If gas is in the cylinder, it can be pushed out and ignited by the sparkplug. Painful, deadly, or burned up bike.
Since the FI light does not go out, I am betting on a regulator/ sensor problem. The FI light should go out when a sensor sees enough pressure in the rail. I don't know, but I suspect that the ignition could be cut off if the computer sees no fuel pressure.
Good Luck,
Craig

Confirmed. If the switch is 'good' and in the 'On' position, the FI light should turn off. If not, check what I post the manual suggests.

Let us know...

-Obby

fi light turns off after about 30 seconds i give up i am going bikeless this year

My fi light goes out within 5 seconds. Do you hear the pump run?
Have you verified everything on Obby's list? Then spark?
I still wonder if you have the fuel line from the tank to the fuel regulator pinched.
Keep us informed, I may be able to lift my tank this weekend and see how the 01 is plumbed.
No one should go bikeless. I think there is a support group for that.
You mention fuel smell when cranking.
Is it coming from the tank area or the exhaust. By now, if you are actually pumping fuel, you should smell raw gas at the exhaust.

THE FI LIGHT DOES GO OUT AND THE PUMP STOPS

THE FUEL SMELL IS FROM THE PIPES

STILL IN THE DARK IF THERE IS A SPARK HAVE NOT CHECKED THAT YET

AND ABOUT THAT SUPPORT GROUP I AM USING IT YOU GUYS ARE THE BEST!!

SORRY ABOUT THE CAPS I WRITE MACHINE PROGRAMS ON THIS COMPUTER AND ALWAYS USE caps..

Sell it, I will give you $50

Will look nice having 2 silver birds downstairs


When you kill switch is on and the key is on the bikes pump comes on for like 3 seconds and goes off. When your bike is fired up your FI light should go out within a few seconds also..

Check for spark, check all your fuses

Also being your bike is an 02' your bike is still covered under warrenty. At least my bike came with a 5yr warranty same as the goldwings...

One nice thing about the bird is the warranty if should you ever need it.

i don't thik it is under warrenty i though it was 1 yr.

Exactly what I meant about support group.
I had to purchase the extended warranty on my 01 for 5 year coverage.
I guess you are back to Obbys list. Sounds like no fire. I know the coils are under the black plastic side covers next to the tank. Could have knocked a wire off. I may be able to pull my tank this weekend for pictures or to look for a possible gotcha. Need to change oil and clean filter soon anyway.

could this thing be flooded ? is that 50 bucks still on the table some one make me a realistic offer

$75 and a purple windscreen (inside joke).

Anyways, FI Light is going off, ok. I would pull the battery power for a few minutes (resetting the ECM), it's worth a shot. The plugs could just be fouled though, it's happened to another member or so here before.

Do you have any mod's done? Power Commander, ignition, ect.? When did it last fire up ok?

One other thing I just thought of... there are safety switches on the clutch and sidestand. That could be the source of the problem too. Give it a try in neutral with the side stand up and clutch pulled in.

no mods

i tried the battery on the battery all i took off was the neg. terminal is that o.k.

i unpluged the cdi box under the rear end for a few minutes to see if it would reset.

i am going to pull the plugs i will check for spark a the same time. 13000 miles but i have seen brand new plugs junk

think i should remove the gas tank and flush it to be sure no water in there?

and i ran the bike last week ran real good but this is the 2nd time with this problem 1st time it started after a while thats why i think spark plugs

it has safty switches but they will not let it even turn over but i will still try it

Man you have to check for spark If you don't want to mess with pulling the plugs just yet get a volt meter across the two DC supply wires on one of the coils to see if you have ignition.

yea i know i will check befor i do anything else. that is a good way i will get a vom and check if i have current

Ok ok fine $100 but you deliever the damn thing...

You gotta check for spark man. If I was closer I would help you out, unless you wanna drive it down to VA.

I didn't buy no extended warranty for my bike. Unless they gave it to me when I bought the bike, as the also gave my wife a helmet, and knocked off setup fee's and crap... Lets just say I was an asshole, I got better credit than most and I bought my XX and sold another for them also the same day

i am going to so.carolina in june if it is not fixed i will drop it off on the way

i will do some checking this weekend hope i can find the problem if not i have a backhoe a 6 ft. deep hole should fix the problem

Don't worry about current MUST HAVE VOLTAGE Dude I"m in RI if you're against the wall........

Just a hunch... check your vent lines to the throttle bodies for the presence of raw fuel. If found, look to your presure regulator (on the end of the fuel rail). There's an internal diaphragm that keeps the fuel & vacuum seperated... if that is compromised, the vent lines will flood. See page 5-62 of the manual for vent line(s) diagram.

I found this out the hard way...

shutup... You can drop it off at my house in June.. Don't rush, just bring the bike the key and title I will meet you in a deserted parking lot, my name is Smith.. .

Anywhoo.. Best thing to do is to get a voltmeter and start checking for voltage. Make sure you have that first, sometimes even with a somewhat good battery the battery don't have enough juice to creat the spark to fire up the bike...

If it smells like fuel from the tailpipes it is obviously putting fuel in to the cyl's. Sounds to me like you have no spark and you're flooding the engine. Stop looking at all these other things, and see if there is a spark or not.

I AM GOING TO PULL THE PLUGS AND HAVE A LOOK THIS MORNING THAT SHOULD SHED SOME LIGHT

And the Survey says?



What did you find?

Did you try bumping it or is that a bad idea?

I think you have a confused issue here, I believe you now have a flooded engine which is preventing it from starting, this was not the original intermittant fault you mention in your first post, it's a symtom of it that clouds the issue, my guess is your bike would start right now if it wasn't flooded, to clear the flooding you need a good power source (car battery) turn the bike over with the throttle fully open, this allows air in there and clears the fuel out, you could pull the Fuel pump fuse while doing the also, once dried out try and start her, you mentioned before that the FI light stays on and you don't hear the fuel pump then that changes somewhere in the thread, I think the fault cleared during your efforts to start her leaving you with a flooded engine that still won't start, once you have her running again, note down the conditions if she stops again, FI light - fuel pump etc

So.... Where are we now? Does it have spark? is it running?

i too would like to know, must be so stupid he doesn't want to say...................did you have the ingnition switched on.........was there petrol in it............do you actually own a motorbike

i took a week vacation to finish the new garage bike has not even been looked at in over a week.

hope to get it sorted out soon i will try pulling the fuse and drying it out i still think it is flooded


new garage is awsome even has 100 amp service and is 200+ feet from the house

+1 on a 100 amp service for the garage.
You can never have too much power.

I put a 200 amp in my wifes horse barn. ( a converted pig barn). It was just $20.00 more, and who knows she might buy a hair dryer for each of them.

Let us know about the bird.
I figure the same issues will find me some day.

yea upped the house to 200 amp i am going to put a milling machine and a small lathe in the garage next week

oh yea i almost forget the bike lift

Let us know where you have gotten with the bike Mr.02.

FI motors can get flooded, but it's not common. If you smell fuel from the exhaust, it's flooded Period. Whether it's from excessive fuel or no spark, the end result is the same. CHECK THE DAMM SPARK !!!
Verify what you have going on with this initial crucial stage of diagnosis. If you have spark, is it strong? If the plugs are bigtime fouled with fuel, the spark may not be jumping across the electrodes, but higher up in the plugs itself. I've seen it happen. I would suggest that if you are going through the effort of lifting the tank to gain access to the plug wires that you swap the plugs out for good measure as well.

If there is any other advise you need in helping you through this, just post up. This is something stupid that's going on and we'll get though it.

Adam

Thanks adam

i really appreciate the help i believe it is something simple.

i will (with all the help) get it running real soon with gas as high as it is i need to.

i will be in touch and yes the first thing i will do is check for spark

Steve

thanks to all

went out sunday morning and after sitting for almost two weeks it started did not even crank for 2 seconds when it fired up. So i am sure it just got flooded some how. i ran it for almost 120 miles yesterday ran strong as ever. I don't know why it flooded (old gas, wet motor, ???)

so the question is what next do i ride her and see if it happpens again?