K Viktor Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 Hello! I would like to tell about some turbo projects which I build in Russia at last year. Sorry for my bad english First, FI Blackbird 2000. It has Garrett-17 turbo, but his housings overbored to 2860 size. We got similar performance as 2860 but smaller size. Turbo header: TIG-welded, stainless steel. Installed 4 EGT sensors, it necessary to accurately monitoring turbine temp. because we use launch-control modes (when clutch disengaged, throttle=100%, ignition advance= 0..-5 degrees and RPM limit in 5000, this helps to build boost at low rpm). Oil filter rotated to 90 degrees, and oil to turbo gets from its adapter. Drain line connected to electrical oil scavenge pump locaded under a fuel tank. Downpipe - simple 60mm stainless steel tube, connected to Devil muffler. Wideband AFR sensor inside Engine. Custom pistons for 9:1 compression ratio, made specially for me in military factory: Connection rods are stock (now i want buy Carrillo's), Cometic head gasket. Intake plenum has velostacks, water intercooler and secondary injector rail (from honda S2000). Installed Water-Methanol injection system from AEM. Blow off valve is simple, but it work very well: Spark and Fuel management system (ecu) designed specially for this bike, based on Cortex-m3 (stm32f103) controller. This bird has 257.6 SAE bwhp or 297.2 hp with methanol injection. Very fun ride ©Elton Turbo Blackbird: This is first Russian Turbo Blackbird Now it has extenden swingarm, electronic traction and boost control. Second and third birds at next posts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K Viktor Posted May 15, 2012 Author Share Posted May 15, 2012 Second TurboBird Carbed CBR1100xx 1997 year old. Time to make exhaust flanges: Russian roads had very bad quality, this is reason for made addition turbine support (without it turbine header may crack). In CATIA software I calculate required arm sizes (to turbine flange): Welding process: Turbo intake plenum (receiver): Engine rebuild (custom pistons, gasket, clutch, etc). Also we changed cylinder head to 2000 year injector. Now we have 1997 fuel injected BlackBird! ECU similar to 1-st bird, DIY on STM32F103 controller. Installed pipe connection for turbo oil drain line. Pay attention, it over oil level ! Turbo Engine installed: Downpipe connected to stock exhaust system: Intake installed: AEM UEGO wideband gauge and boost pressure gauge: Now we have absoluttely "stock-like" 1997 bird, but it FI with turbo engine 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K Viktor Posted May 15, 2012 Author Share Posted May 15, 2012 Third Bird This is low-cost low-power project. FI 1999 CBR1100xx: Define correct turbine location: Some welding work And CNC work: Installed HKS SSQV blowoff valve: "Mockup" installation: Downpipe. 133 dBa at CEM noise meter Engine. Thicker Cometic gasket and adjustable CAM sprockets. That's all. Oil filter adapter. All right reserved, patented Completed system: ECU: Stock, with specially designed Fuel Controller, similar to PowerCommander (we called it "CLONE" ) but has ability to boost-control, autotune, MAP-based correction tables and knock sensor input. DAC converter generate fake stock-like map-sensor signal (Bike ECU now happy and FI error on boost not lit): Dynoruns. Very loud Bird in winter : Next... Honda X-11 turbo This project now in building stage... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearXX Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 Spasiba Nice setup on those bikes. And welcome to the nut house. You'll fit right in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackhawkxx Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 So very cool!!! Keep them coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 I hate all of you that have the ability to do this type of artwork. DAMN YOU.... Just beautiful! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverbird2 Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 Very nice! Your english is much better than my russian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strek Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 Nice work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97xxca Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 That is some awesome work you have done. I bet they are spooky fast to ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOXXIC Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 Incredible, you definitely have skills to pay the bills. Keep the posts coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K Viktor Posted May 16, 2012 Author Share Posted May 16, 2012 I thank for your responses! That is some awesome work you have done. I bet they are spooky fast to ride. Yes, but now i can not choice right rear tire, Michlen Pilot road III slips first 100-150m of race strip, Pirelli Supercorsa too... My speed record = 325km/h at one mile, this is very bad result for this bike. Incredible, you definitely have skills to pay the bills. No, i do not pay - it's my work First bird in this topic - my own, others are builded for clients. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redxxrdr Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 Incredible, you definitely have skills to pay the bills. No, i do not pay - it's my work First bird in this topic - my own, others are builded for clients. A quick American translation, Skills to pay the bills means that you have the skills to earn a good salary to pay your own bills. :icon_clap: :icon_clap: :icon_clap: You are really talented. I really like your filter mount/relocation. An elegant solution for oiling the turbo. Thanks for posting, And welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eliXXir Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 Very cool work there - I agree: keep the pictures and stories coming! As far as tires go, have you tried a Mickey Thompson MCR2 with about 8 PSI and a good tire temperature? It is possible that your tracks don't have enough traction compound to handle the power that early.. That's where boost control comes in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K Viktor Posted May 18, 2012 Author Share Posted May 18, 2012 As far as tires go, have you tried a Mickey Thompson MCR2 with about 8 PSI and a good tire temperature? No, i didn't try. Now i want try shinko 003. If it will be slips again, i will order Mickey Thompson. Or 220 wheel It is possible that your tracks don't have enough traction compound to handle the power that early.. That's where boost control comes in. Yes, we don't have compound in our track Moto dragracing? Russian's don't know what is it Boost control. hmmm, there are some difficulties: 1) Minimum boost controlled pressure = minimum wastegate opening pressure. It defines by wastegate spring hardness. BUT. In internal wastegate we can not use spring softer then 40% of max boost pressure. Otherwise backpressure open wastegate valve and we have power losses at max boost. e.g. Max boost = 1.5bar. Then, directly connected wastegate must open at 0.6bar or greater. Result = minimum boost-controlled pressure = 0.4-0.6bar. 2)Bird completely slips at 0.3bar at launch Now i think about electrical actuator of wastegate valve. And 220 rear wheel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartMarjorie Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Nice. Blackbird - sweet name for such a strong cool baby! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB4XX Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Very nice! Please post more pictures and updates on latest projects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eliXXir Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 As far as tires go, have you tried a Mickey Thompson MCR2 with about 8 PSI and a good tire temperature? No, i didn't try. Now i want try shinko 003. If it will be slips again, i will order Mickey Thompson. Or 220 wheel It is possible that your tracks don't have enough traction compound to handle the power that early.. That's where boost control comes in. Yes, we don't have compound in our track Moto dragracing? Russian's don't know what is it Boost control. hmmm, there are some difficulties: 1) Minimum boost controlled pressure = minimum wastegate opening pressure. It defines by wastegate spring hardness. BUT. In internal wastegate we can not use spring softer then 40% of max boost pressure. Otherwise backpressure open wastegate valve and we have power losses at max boost. e.g. Max boost = 1.5bar. Then, directly connected wastegate must open at 0.6bar or greater. Result = minimum boost-controlled pressure = 0.4-0.6bar. 2)Bird completely slips at 0.3bar at launch Now i think about electrical actuator of wastegate valve. And 220 rear wheel. Mmm, I'm not sure I agree with your math.. With modern electronic boost control, you can run the spring pressure down to .2 BAR easily..then let the controller do the rest, all the way up to 9 BAR or more. Air is far more controllable than a spring is. We only use a spring to keep the gate from bouncing around too much. But, if you're having that kind of traction problem and lacking VHT, then you need to consider a beadlock and something like a TX style tire and stretch it out to 8 inches for a serious contact patch. You could even consider a flat car tire, if you really wanted to get up and go quickly in straight line. It is easier to swap wheels than tires, right? One for each purpose. In any case, keep the updates coming, we likey! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbrxxquad Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 Wonderful, really like your skills and adaption and innovation. Must be many more projects your involved in that would interesting to see other than blackbirds. Looks like we have a lot to talk about, so keep it coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marko Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 Holy shit. Looks like you have the right skills to create big time demons Guess I should stop by in Mother Russia with my XX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxturbo Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 thats a sweet set up you got ! how did the stock rods hold ? i have a turbo 03 xx my self i ran 23 psi on it and now im building my motor for the big boost je pistons carrillo rods billet basket hd every thing etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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