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My kit used the existing hard lines. Perhaps the trick is they must know the length and type of each line to use the existing hard lines...otherwise, it's easier to make X lines long enough to replace the whole run.

I believe I took advantage of the group buy. The kit definitely eliminated all of the hard lines. Perhaps later versions were able to utilize some of the factory lines.

I have the HEL kit on my 01 Bird that I brought back from England (JAWS) in , I think 2004 or 2005. It replaced the rubber lines and left the hard lines. Still working perfect today with DOT 4 fluid. My poor memory says that it was like 13 lines, including the clutch.

That rings a bell and I think I installed that kit on Peter's (BirdieXX, good dude) bike. Was there some sort of group buy back around then? I know I did at least one of the rubber line only replacement kits but I can't remember whose bike it was.

I installed a Hel kit on my '03. If memory serves me right, I am pretty sure it required me to remove all of the hardlines on the bike and replace them with full length runs of hose. It was a bit if a hassle, but relatively doable. A bike lift is very helpful in the install. I think ( not 100% sure ), the Spiegler kit lets you keep the hard lines.

Yeah, it's something I wasn't always conscious of. One of the downfalls of being around here for so long is I've posted some pretty stupid shit in the last 15 years and it's all still here. And because I was instrumental in derailing this thread, I'll try to help get it back on track. Slapper, years ago I helped a couple members install the Speigler kit mentioned earlier in this thread on their bikes. It replaces all the rubber lines and leaves the hard lines in place, I think the Hel kit was similar (come to think of it, one of the ones I did might have been Hel). If either kit is still available that would be the way to go if you want to keep the LBS, IMO. I delinked mine and that might be a better option just for simplicity's sake at this point if you can live without the LBS. All you'll need is three lines and a drill, I think instructions and pics are still up in the useful threads section. If not, let me know and I can steer you in the right direction.